Who won WWII?

nabbig2

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couldn't resist... but...

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I find this post very aesthetically pleasing. What a novel idea to throw in some humor.
 

Varine

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On D day, Canada was the first one to achive there goal and they did it by the end of the first day.

And... then they did what again? Not to bash the Canadian military, but they really didn't do a ton. Who was it that stopped the reinforcements from getting to the beach? Who took the heavily defended parts? I mean, it's like me taking a camp that has one guy on guard, then a bunch of other people taking the ones next to it while the air force blows up any possible reinforcements and saying I did the best.
 

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Chill out, in an alliance you don't have to be the "best", each military division had its own task, which they tried to complete by all means possible.
Forces are relative to the country, and the tasks are relative to the forces.
 

Genkora

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before the U.S. came in, Hitler told his advisers that the war was almost won. His advisers responded, "Then who is that bombing us outside?" Referring to English bombers. England did a lot of damage with air raids before America had ever joined the war. It's unclear what would have happened if America did not join, but I assume the allies would have lost, because Germany would have had atom bombs eventually. German technology was a bit further than everyone else's, the only reason America had atom bombs before Germany is because they poured so much into the research in them. And Albert Einstein.
 

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And... then they did what again? Not to bash the Canadian military, but they really didn't do a ton. Who was it that stopped the reinforcements from getting to the beach? Who took the heavily defended parts? I mean, it's like me taking a camp that has one guy on guard, then a bunch of other people taking the ones next to it while the air force blows up any possible reinforcements and saying I did the best.

Canadian Soldiers were called Storm Troopers by the Germans. The Germans said that they can stop almost anymore, but they can't stop the Canadians.

As well, The battle of Vimmy Ridge. Canadians took it when no others could. By them self.

The Canadians got to lead the marches into the liberation of cities as an honor.

I don't care what you say about Canadian Military now. Back in the World Wars Canadians were amazing soldiers.

This is all based on what I learned in school about Canadian History.
 

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The main reason behind the delay of Germany's atombomb is the SS.
Nooo, not the schutzstaffel.
The Secret Service!
England always had exemplary spies. :)
 

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World War II's aftershocks never ended until 1993 when the Soviet Union collapsed and the Cold War ended.

France: Basically got ruined by the Germans.
Germany: Got flattened by Allied attacks and had Berlin split apart.
Soviet Union: Lost cities and people.
America: Lost Pearl Harbor's infrastructure, won the Cold War.
UK: Had major cities blasted apart by the Luftwaffe.
Japan: Two major cities were hit with fallout, Tokyo was firebombed, lost most of its island territories.
Italy: A major hole in it when it was hit.

The true winners were the United States of America: Despite heavy troop losses in the Pacific and D-day's aftermath, we lost very little area of our rule, we gained air bases in Okinawa, we won the Cold War, we sided with the Allies (who won) and gained industrial power due to the ongoing effects of war. We also were motivated to get nuclear technology before the German war scientists could and ended up stockpiling thousands of nukes.

D-Day was the true end of the Third Reich, because it was losing battles for a very long time during the RAF counterstrikes, Italy declaring war on it, losing the Battle of Stalingrad in 1942 that allowed Soviet forces to push back and hammer through Eastern Europe, and then Japan (its ally) started to lose naval ground as its empire was being hit hard by island-hoppers from the United States.
 

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whoa. talk about a necro post.

However. its pretty obvious that the Allies won
 

Durandal

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How is their a debate about this? Japan got atom bombed, and surrendered, and Germany would have won if Hitler hadn't screwed things up by making tactically unsound decisions(and ignoring his generals).

So I'm confused as to how their can be a debate about this, both countries surrendered unconditionally to the Allies, I'd say that means they pretty much lost.
 

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Japan lost most of its naval empire and was forced back to the islands. In the Battle of Okinawa, the Battle of Midway, the Battle of Saipan, and firebombing raids on Tokyo; so many people were killed, including civilians.

A single day of firebombing in Tokyo killed more people than Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined. The only significance in it was: The United States of America has better technological advances, and with a single bomb, your cities are ruined. Japan's not a winner.
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On the European Front, IF Hitler had not rescinded on his treaty with Uncle Joe, he could have smashed Europe with little resistance, with Wernher von Braun on his side with the V2 rocket, his General Erwin Rommel, and countless nuclear scientists working for the Nazis to get towards the goal of the atomic bomb.

Though the British had lost many people in air raids, the RAF DID counterattack and blasted apart many German cities too. Germany's not a winner.
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The British lost many good men in the Battle of Britain and in the Landing of Normandy (Most of the soldiers participating were British), and they weren't exactly in tip-top shape all the way through. Air raids on their towns didn't help either. British weren't the winners.
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The USA: Very controversial. It did not lose much in the European front, but rather, in the Pacific front of the war. Territory lost: A few islands. Homeland bombed: Pearl Harbor. Industrial support: Yep. Troops lost in battlegrounds: Extremely heavy. Ships lost during the war: extremely heavy.
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France: A lot of folks forget the Frenchies. There was the French Resistance, of course, because none too pleased with the Nazi occupation of Paris and most of France as a whole, but nevertheless, they were occupied without too much of a fight... Not a winner.
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The United Soviet Socialist Republic (Soviet Union): Lost 1,129,619 men in the Battle of Stalingrad and many more on the way to Berlin. Tied with the United States in overall kickassery.
 

Durandal

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That had little to do with the war, and is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand, we're not discussing the morals

We're discussing who literally lost the war
 

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Yes, and I`m saying America lost, because we completely tipped over our morals, and changed ourselves forever.

We also waited twenty years for the Nissei to die out so that we did not have to pay a lot of money in tribute.

In my opinion, America lost.
 

Durandal

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Yea well this debate isn't who lost over morals...

And to be honest, if it was about that, I don't see how America could lose when Germany was committing the crime of genocide en masse, they only killed over 6 million people.
 

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Yes, and I`m saying America lost, because we completely tipped over our morals, and changed ourselves forever.

We also waited twenty years for the Nissei to die out so that we did not have to pay a lot of money in tribute.

In my opinion, America lost.

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"Fuhrer, we can still outflank them for the moral victory."
 

tooltiperror

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Yea well this debate isn't who lost over morals...

And to be honest, if it was about that, I don't see how America could lose when Germany was committing the crime of genocide en masse, they only killed over 6 million people.

But that's Germany, not the 'righteous' America.
 

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With the thought in mind that Germany's debt to the rest of the world after the war and the wars in Israel still going on I would say that Germany lost.

I don't understand much about the war in Israel more than that it is the jews and muslims fighting or something like that, and if the Nazis had eradicated the jews then at least that war would not be today.
 

tooltiperror

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With the thought in mind that Germany's debt to the rest of the world after the war and the wars in Israel still going on I would say that Germany lost.

I don't understand much about the war in Israel more than that it is the jews and muslims fighting or something like that, and if the Nazis had eradicated the jews then at least that war would not be today.

Not quite. Islam claims that Israel is its holy place (I`m not claiming that it's not.) and that they need east Jerusalem. Politically, it belongs to the 'Jews'. The Islamic terrorists are now bombing parts of Jerusalem to 'take it back'. But this isn't the thread for that.
 
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