Daskunk: yo thewrongvine: yo yo tom_mai78101: Yo! thewrongvine: is this a crazy plan thewrongvine: leave everything and move out alone to CA. Attend a community college for a year there. Then apply for residency in CA, so that the following 2 years I can get in state tuition for when I transfer to a different Uni there thewrongvine: the difficult part is to get residency, you have to be 100% financially independent, which makes paying for tuition difficult, no gov loans. But I can't do a full time job while at school, but will a part time job be enough to pay for cheap housing + tuition + living costs!? tom_mai78101: Try getting a scholarship. Accname: Sure tom, somebody who dropped out of school will have no problem getting a scholarship thewrongvine: haha yeah, I'm a transfer student, which means they don't care about giving financial aid Accname: Good luck dude, gonna be though tom_mai78101: I did not know I am responding to thewrongvine. tom_mai78101: Unrelated, it's the first time I ever had in which 5 most recent posts I put has no replies in 1 day. :D tom_mai78101: Today, and possibly every other days are going to be slow days. So slow, I can barely motivate myself to be motivated. rover2341: The trick is to be so busy you don't have time to worry about being motivated. Just keep rushing in head first in the direction you want. and you can be just like me... Finished high school in 2005.. been trying to get though school since. only 8 more classes to go. rover2341: or be bright and not just walk in the right direction, and work hard from the start and dont just walk in the direction you want to be. tom_mai78101: Sounds like I require more experiences. Varine: So, I may have quit,,, Varine: If so I'm kind of fucked, I mean I get another job without much problem, but fuck Varine: I hate interviews... I'll give it a week and see if they call me back Varine: Otherwise they're gonna fucking fail and it'll be funny Varine: Will really suck if they don't though KMilz: what were you doing? Accname: Jerking off tom_mai78101: Serious reply, @Varine was working as a sous chef at a restaurant. KMilz: well, you can't be jerking off as a sous chef. That's just the wrong kinda sauce tom_mai78101: What about creampies? :( KMilz: That'd be a weird thing for a sous chef to make Accname: Nah, but it would be a weird thing for a customer to order. thewrongvine: think it's possible to sustain living costs with just a part time job, while attending school? lol thewrongvine: with a roomate I can find places for like $350 rent, mayve $450 total with utils. I'll do bus/bike for awhile so I don't need a car. But then there's living costs + school costs Accname: I only make 700€ at the university. But I dont have to pay anything for university and my rent is barely existent, so. Accname: Dont know how things go in the US. Slapshot136: I don't think it's possible in the U.S. - even ignoring the school costs, attending full-time and getting decent grades will limit your hours available for your part-time job, and most part-time jobs won't pay above ~$12/hr Slapshot136: so assuming you work ~20 hours a week you would probably make close to $700/month after taxes - that may be enough for a room somewhere, but you won't have much $$ to eat Slapshot136: plus you wouldn't get a very nice place to live, so it would probably not be on campus, and thus you would need to walk/bike/bus (since you can't afford a car) to get to classes Slapshot136: and you would need time to cook/etc. KMilz: 1. get baby 2. get food stamps 3. crack addiction 4. welfare KMilz: your welcome KMilz: you're*, ouch thewrongvine: hmm. well. thewrongvine: if the job can cover just housing/living costs. Then I suppose I will have to take out loans for school. Though I'm just doing a community college to finish my gen eds so it won't be too expensive thewrongvine: zzz jonas: move to a cheaper location Accname: Like under a bridge you mean? jonas: different city, different state jonas: or is the rent you've given above for 2 people? jonas: I've had friends who lived off of about 400$ a month, living in a student home for 200$ and eating extremely cheaply. Every now and then they got some money from family to buy new cloth. jonas: ofc he took a big loan for the college fee tom_mai78101: This is how you increase your student loans... KMilz: I still don't see a baby in your game-plan, it's bound to fail. thewrongvine: this will be in Cali thewrongvine: movin there to do that whole industry thing. Preferably I'd move to Vancouver, thats the new hub, but no monies or connections there thewrongvine: that rent would be for me alone. like $400 or so. tom_mai78101: See if you can find 4 or 5 roommates to share a 4 bedroom home/apartment, so that you will save about $60 ~ $120 per month on rent. jonas: Let me put it like this, if you can find an industry-level job in Cali that pays you a good salary, then you can live there and might not need to complete your education, as long as you make yourself attractive for future employers by other means thewrongvine: yeah but I won't be able to get dat industry level job without training first, which is what I'll need the next year or so to do lol. thewrongvine: hopefully I can survive that long Accname: good luck Varine: 5 roommates suck. Accname: Sounds like gay porn thewrongvine: yeah I'd probably prefer getting a private room, even if it'll cost more... unless I know the person. thewrongvine: And I'll need to buy a car there too, hooray for more costs thewrongvine: still don't know if this is physically possible tom_mai78101: The land is too big. Blame mother nature for forcing you to buy transportation. Accname: Because you guys have horrible public transportation. Nobody around here really needs a car. Theres subways, streetcars, busses and regular train running every few minutes. tom_mai78101: We found a city dweller. :/ thewrongvine: lol, yeah in the city of course I didn't need a car thewrongvine: but where I'd be moving, too large thewrongvine: you don't NEED a car, you can do public transpo, but that's crowded and can take twice as long sometimes Accname: I thought your money situation was dire. You sure getting a car is the better alternative? vypur85: Hello homies! Varine: I live where there's no public transportation. Well, there's a dude who drives a 'taxi' Varine: But he's not very reliable, and I guess is just some dude who decided to be a taxi, but didn't get the insurance or licenses and shit. Varine: So... I got a truck tom_mai78101: Ford Pickup, or trucks similar to a payload truck? thewrongvine: well no car would save money obs thewrongvine: but it's just moreso about convenience and efficiency thewrongvine: carrying things around long distances and such KMilz: may want to consider apps like lyft where you get rides from other regular people. i think it's relatively inexpensive and sounds real convenient, but dunno if it'd be viable where you're headed KMilz: also, obviously, baby-crack-welfare steps will help a lot, too thewrongvine: ha, yeah used lyft/uber all the time in the city. It gets expensive, I mean it's a service for convenience so of course they will profit off you. It's way cheaper than taxi but still expensive Varine: I bought an old Dodge Dakota for 600 bucks. My muffler just fell off, thus the 600 bucks Varine: I need it anyway, working out in the middle of Montana requires some level of mountain driving on occassion. The clearance is convienant, as is the ability to pick up a couch KMilz: yeah, i've been wanting a pickup for a while because of how convenient they are for hauling things. KMilz: I got stuck with a minivan. KMilz: a super cheap minivan that I haven't had to put a lot of money into, but not the truck i wanted thewrongvine: it's the car you deserve, but not the one you need right now. thewrongvine: do I want to spend another 3 years to finish a degree, more loans and debt Accname: I dont know. Accname: Why do you ask us of all people. Do you not have friends or family that would be better suited for these kinds of questions? Accname: We are just chatbox trolls. KMilz: that's a solid argument. thewrongvine, your retort? thewrongvine: Well no one really knows the answer, regardless of how credible they are or how much I know them. Accname: Then why are you asking the question that nobody knows an answer to? KMilz: no, that works KMilz: he's just casting his net as wide as he can KMilz: gettin as many data points as possible KMilz: no matter how fuckin stupid they are, it seems KMilz: u might be able to get by with just the crack->welfare steps, but i dont think you'd have as much luck with that method thewrongvine: I'm going to combine all the answers into an average thewrongvine: and do that Accname: so, do we get some kind of poll and public voting system to determine the rest of your life? Varine: I think you should change your major to something with no relevance to what you're doing now. Just one, big redo thewrongvine: that'd be an interesting set up Accname, a bit of Truman show on my life thewrongvine: I'd become famous! people will write about me and I'll be on the news thewrongvine: great scott! we've done it! thewrongvine: we'll all be rich and famous! thewrongvine: @Varine, essentially that's what is hapenning in the plans - a CS degree, which is pretty far from the arts. Accname: Do you think you can just decide to suddenly learn computer science? Accname: Its complicated stuff, its not something for everybody. Accname: I dont know how its like in the muricas, but over here its a lot of math, theory and more theory. jonas: yeah, I saw your comment about the correctness proof : ) jonas: here's a fun talk: jonas: http://www.matching-logic.org/images/2/27/2011-09-30-CK-MVD.pdf jonas: it's sad that our work on CIL and C0 are not mentioned, but understandable. Even though Cohen worked with us for quite a while. Accname: You did that article in the link you say? jonas: no! jonas: Our chair gave formal semantics of two C-Like languages, C0 and CIL. Cohen (who is mentioned in the talk) was a collaborator at our chair, and if I recall correctly used our semantics in some form for VCC jonas: we also have semantics of C0+inline assembly, which we use to to correctness proofs of operating system kernels jonas: (we have a fully verified single core operating system kernel, and are working on verified multicore operating system kernels) jonas: Most of that work was done before I became a student of the chair jonas: I did a tiny bit of work on the verification of the single core operating system, might do work on the multicore operating system and the semantics of parallel C + interrupts + devices + inline assembly (God willing) jonas: *to do Accname: So you do static code analysis or something like that? Accname: Thats what I gather from quickly glancing over it. Accname: Which is funny because I am currently working on dynamic code analysis. jonas: Yep jonas: I have always felt you are my evil opposite jonas: :D Accname: You fear me because you know that dynamic analysis is simply better KMilz: Damn, it's like Ash and Gary from Poke'mon. Accname: Its more like star wars, I have the good side of the force and he has the weak side jonas: do you honestly believe dynamic analysis is *stronger* than static analysis? maybe it's simpler, and gives results faster, but what use is this if the results it gives are wrong? jonas: quicker, easier, more seductive. Accname: how would the results be wrong? Dynamic analysis can not produce wrong results as its results are directly taken from the output of your program. Accname: It is the static analysis that can produce wrong results because of imperfect simulations. Accname: Or simply because of missing information like user behavior, settings, inputs, etc. thewrongvine: dang you guys wrote too much did anyone respond to me thewrongvine: lol Accname: Cant remember Accname: Who are you? thewrongvine: thewrongvine