Crime Pirate Bay founders sent to jail

[Dr.Jack]

Modern justice is served. :banghead:
Why are you all acting surprised?

 

[ReVolver]

Free them all!

Warner Bros, Sony Music Entertainment, EMI, and Columbia Pictures

Yea, I known these companies always whine about copyright infringement, they are not the ones who are stealing your "copyrighted material" it's the users. If you go into a bar and everyone is using some sort of illegal substance, do the cops arrest the bar owner and let the rest of the people free? I don't think so...

Your ignorance is just going to make more people hate you more and promote more illegal software/music/etc downloading (which I call "sharing")

 

[Pineapple]

The Pirate Bay.

The flag of the pirate ship has a cassette tape on it.

If you think for any second it was not made to make illigal downloads easier, you are ignorant.

Do I care about this? Hell no, I dont pirate my movies and music. What about the ligitimate files? They can host other places too.

I find the bitching about this obsurd. They knew there was links for illigal stuff on their site and did nothing.

 

[DDRtists]

The site will more than likely stay up through all this. Even if it goes down, 50+ more sites will pop up.

 

[sqrage]

Don't worry - we're from the internets. It's going to be alright.

:thup:

 

[Dr.Jack]

The Pirate Bay.

The flag of the pirate ship has a cassette tape on it.

If you think for any second it was not made to make illigal downloads easier, you are ignorant.

Do I care about this? Hell no, I dont pirate my movies and music. What about the ligitimate files? They can host other places too.

I find the bitching about this obsurd. They knew there was links for illigal stuff on their site and did nothing.

Yet linking is not a crime.

 

[Ninja_sheep]

Hmmm, mb we should legalise all assistance for illegal activities.

I only held the victims arms wile my mate punched his face, I'm innocent!

 

[ReVolver]

Hmmm, mb we should legalise all assistance for illegal activities.

I only held the victims arms wile my mate punched his face, I'm innocent!

There's a difference between "accomplice" and "assistance".

 

[monoVertex]

I don't really care if it goes down or not, but as many said before, there will appear even more sharing sites. Sharing will never be put down by the giant companies and it will end up with said companies embracing file-share.

 

[NoxMortus]

The Pirate Bay.

The flag of the pirate ship has a cassette tape on it.

So you're basing your assumption on the site's logo? THAT is absurd.

If you think for any second it was not made to make illigal downloads easier, you are ignorant.

Do I care about this? Hell no, I dont pirate my movies and music. What about the ligitimate files? They can host other places too.

I find the bitching about this obsurd. They knew there was links for illigal stuff on their site and did nothing.

So.. when is the trial for Google, Yahoo! Answers, Ask.com going to take place?

 

[Ninja_sheep]

There's a difference between "accomplice" and "assistance".

Well, I agree, I should've used the word accomplice and not assistance. (Blame my english skills :>)

But that doesn't really matter.

@noxmortus:
hehe
I find it funny when people attack on little flaws of the post before.
Sorry, but it gives me the impression that you're just trying to proof him wrong without really discussing the subject.

And about google & co
That doesn't really contradict with his post.
I think he talks more about the moral side of it.

Making laws and that stuff is different and would be/will be/is really hard to do.

 

[NoxMortus]

@noxmortus:
hehe
I find it funny when people attack on little flaws of the post before.
Sorry, but it gives me the impression that you're just trying to proof him wrong without really discussing the subject.

He used the cassette tape logo and the name of the site as a point in favor of the conviction. I didn't bring it up but I will definitely point it out for the moot it is.

And about google & co
That doesn't really contradict with his post.
I think he talks more about the moral side of it.

Let's see here.. He said

If you think for any second it was not made to make illigal downloads easier, you are ignorant.

I find the bitching about this obsurd. They knew there was links for illigal stuff on their site and did nothing.

Which could be used to accurately describe Google, Yahoo! Answers, Ask.com and many similar sites. They all link to illegal material.

 

[Ninja_sheep]

doh, we could argue now about what he said, but that's no good

Well, there's a huge difference between making a site devoted fully to internet piracy and just a site for... everything.

Stupid example, yet relevant:
You don't ban knives because people get killed by them.
99% of the knives are used peacefully.

 

[Pineapple]

The difference is that, while you can find illigal stuff on Google or Yahoo, The Pirate Bay thrived off of it.

Google Stair Way to Heaven in both, Pirate Bays first link is probably a link to download it. Goggles first ten pages will be information about led zeppelin and music videos of the song.

I dont blame them for having links to illigal stuiff on there site - I blame them for not doing anything about it when they knew.

Stupid example, yet relevant:
You don't ban knives because people get killed by them.
99% of the knives are used peacefully.

but you do ban large guns as they are not used properly.

 

[SFilip]

Fact: There is a bunch of sites out there that can be somehow used to find illegal material.

So what makes The Pirate Bay different from other trackers or even Google? It's the fact TPB actually admits it and admits they hardly ever remove anything. This is what makes people upload "illegal torrents" (in lack of a better term) there. It is also what gave them popularity and is their downfall.

 

[enouwee]

The difference is that, while you can find illigal stuff on Google or Yahoo, The Pirate Bay thrived off of it.

Google Stair Way to Heaven in both, Pirate Bays first link is probably a link to download it. Goggles first ten pages will be information about led zeppelin and music videos of the song.

If you add some magic filter like "filetype:torrent" to your query, Google or The Pirate Bay will serve the same purpose. Give it a try for "Stairway to Heaven".

There are a lot of similarities between both sites, be it the fact that they're content agnostic or that they're aware that illegal content is being indexed/served. Neither hosts the provides original content, it's being generated by third parties. The Pirate Bay offers a "Top 100" link, so does Google.

Stupid example, yet relevant:
You don't ban knives because people get killed by them.
99% of the knives are used peacefully.

but you do ban large guns as they are not used properly.

The analogy is wrong. The Pirate Bay plays another role: do you jail the shopkeeper because he handed a knife to someone that used it to kill somebody?

The outcome of this "trial" is not surprise at all. The Four fought the System and the System won. By what means this victory was achieved will remain a mystery, but given the poor job done by the prosecution, some outside "influence" happened. The leaked verdict or comments made are just other indications.

This trial isn't about piracy, it's about control of content. Be it the DMCA or the ACTA, both serve the copyright holders' needs, neglecting even fair use.

 

[sqrage]

The Pirate Bay.

The flag of the pirate ship has a cassette tape on it.

If you think for any second it was not made to make illigal downloads easier, you are ignorant.

Do I care about this? Hell no, I dont pirate my movies and music. What about the ligitimate files? They can host other places too.

I find the bitching about this obsurd. They knew there was links for illigal stuff on their site and did nothing.

So let's shut down the internet as a whole. I mean, it does make file sharing easier right?

And even though it can be used for legal things, it can also be used for illegal things. So let's just shut it down so the billionaires can save money.

 

[Dr.Jack]

The defense had some strong points.

A) Stealing means taking something that cause directly damage to the victims and directly helps and thief. This is not the case. Its like arresting someone for say, taking a picture of something that isn't his.
B) They are accused of damaging the companies potential profit. This is like arresting someone for having a potential to kill someone.
C) And again LINKING IS NOT A CRIME. TBP never uploaded or distributed illegal material. They did nothing but pointing to it or rather organizing it in one place.

 

[Ninja_sheep]

This case here isn't... correct, no doubt.
But the idea of the site isn't... correct either.


Lol @ dr. jack
Sorry, are you serius now?
Point A and B make absolutly no sense at all.
Point C... maybe for swedish law you are right, but this isn't sensefull. It's because they didn't change the law yet to fit for internet piracy.

@enouwee:
your analogy doesn't make much sense either
You jail the shopkeeper if he sells the knive knowing that the buying man wouldn't kill someone without buying it at his shop.
But that's absurd oO

 

[phyrex1an]

The defense had some strong points.

A) Stealing means taking something that cause directly damage to the victims and directly helps and thief. This is not the case. Its like arresting someone for say, taking a picture of something that isn't his.
B) They are accused of damaging the companies potential profit. This is like arresting someone for having a potential to kill someone.
C) And again LINKING IS NOT A CRIME. TBP never uploaded or distributed illegal material. They did nothing but pointing to it or rather organizing it in one place.

A) This wasn't part of the defence nor the charges. Copyright infringement has nothing to do with property rights, at least not in Swedish law.
B) True, but they didn't use the "defence" you're stating.
C) They was convicted for the pointing and organizing, not uploading or distributing. The uploading and distributing charges was dropped very early in the trial.