Crime Army vet. killed landlady because he didn't kill anyone while serving in Afghanistan

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A jury at Bradford Crown Court heard that Wilkinson seemed disappointed at not having fired a single shot while in Afghanistan and had a fascination with what it was like to shoot someone.

Opening the trial, prosecutor Richard Mansell QC said Wilkinson was diagnosed with 'post-traumatic stress reaction' by an Army doctor and had since also been found to suffer from Asperger’s Syndrome, or a similar condition.

He denies murder but pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, claiming he had 'gone crazy' and 'lost his head' when Mrs Garnett asked him to move out of her home.

The prosecutor said it was more likely the killing 'may have had something to do with a fascination with guns and killing and a desire to see what it was like to shoot someone, something which he had not managed to achieve in Afghanistan'.

 
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Varine

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How does someone have post-traumatic stress if they didn't even shoot their rifle?
 

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Maybe he was hiding while his comrades got shot.

But jokes aside, there is still alot of stress involved in the training, and in your mind.
Even if you go there and it is as if you are on vacation. You dont shoot anybody, you dont see anybody getting killed. Even if nothing bad happens around you.
You still are believing it could happen anytime. You are told it can happen anytime. And hell, probably it can happen all the time.

This can really mess you up from the inside i guess. Although i have never experienced it myself i can guess this is not something i would like to feel.
 

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I personally feel this one is a bit of bullshit. I mean... C'mon. The dude didn't fire a shot and he has PTSD? I don't see how that happens, but I'm not a head doctor...

Sometimes, unfortunately, the worst people get into the military. And when that happens, you get crap like this.

No one should WANT to kill anyone. No one should be UPSET that they didn't.

People that are have no business in the military.
 

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Maybe he was hiding while his comrades got shot.

But jokes aside, there is still alot of stress involved in the training, and in your mind.
Even if you go there and it is as if you are on vacation. You dont shoot anybody, you dont see anybody getting killed. Even if nothing bad happens around you.
You still are believing it could happen anytime. You are told it can happen anytime. And hell, probably it can happen all the time.

This can really mess you up from the inside i guess. Although i have never experienced it myself i can guess this is not something i would like to feel.

Yeah get someone from the military to back it up? Everyone I know said Afghanistan was more or less a joke. Some of them actually DID shit there too.
 

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I personally feel this one is a bit of bullshit. I mean... C'mon. The dude didn't fire a shot and he has PTSD? I don't see how that happens, but I'm not a head doctor...

Sometimes, unfortunately, the worst people get into the military. And when that happens, you get crap like this.

No one should WANT to kill anyone. No one should be UPSET that they didn't.

People that are have no business in the military.

Unfortunately there will always be the wrong persons in the military since most of the good guys dont go there.
Those people who dont want to ever use a weapon, who dont want to kill any human being and dont believe in violence will not go to the military. That wouldnt make sense.
Those who become soldiers are people who like weapons, who like shooting, and who believe that you can bring peace by killing those who have an opposing opinion. Of course not all of them, but i can very well guess this applies to most people in the military.
And why not? It makes perfect sense. They get their weapons there, they can shoot for training there and go to war to enforce peace. Everything they like and they even get paid for it.
 

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It is incredibly effective but thats not what they are ought to do.
We could just nuke the complete middle east and maybe africa too. Just imagine how silent and peaceful earth would be. Maybe do north korea and china as well if possible but we might run out of nukes.
 

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Unfortunately there will always be the wrong persons in the military since most of the good guys dont go there.
Those people who dont want to ever use a weapon, who dont want to kill any human being and dont believe in violence will not go to the military. That wouldnt make sense.
Those who become soldiers are people who like weapons, who like shooting, and who believe that you can bring peace by killing those who have an opposing opinion. Of course not all of them, but i can very well guess this applies to most people in the military.
And why not? It makes perfect sense. They get their weapons there, they can shoot for training there and go to war to enforce peace. Everything they like and they even get paid for it.

The fact that you generalized the military member with that mindset proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

The dozens upon dozens of people I have met in the military... Hundreds, maybe, not a damn one of them WANTS to shoot people, not a damn one of them WANTS to be in a war. But they do WANT to live in a strong, free country. They do WANT their fellow country men and women to feel safe at home because we ARE out there.

What you just said is a stereotype. An incorrect one.

And it's insulting, to say the least.
 

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Who needs military to feel safe at home? Thats moronic.
You dont have any enemies, all countries around you are mexico and canada. Canada would never attack you and mexico wouldnt do it either.
Terrorists will hit nevertheless. An army will never stop them.

It is completely useless nowadays.
Against whom do you want to protect your country from? The russians invading america with tanks on balloons flying over the atlantic ocean?
No country on earth would ever dare to declare war upon another first world country.
All the countries in central europe, the USA, canada and australia are standing up for each other.

The soldiers of all the first world countries went to afghanistan, or where ever they went and what did it do? Money was thrown out of the window thats it. Terrorism didnt stop at all.
Every week there are news about another bomb exploding here or there or somewhere. Every now and then another terrorist suicide bombs innocent people for no apparent reason.

Did the army or anybody else stop it? Did you protect anybody? Bullshit, you didnt help.
Imagine how much harm and suffering our soldiers have brought to the innocent people in the middle east.
Imagine how much money was spent on military equipment, on tanks and soldiers. What do you think how much better that money could have been spent.
i tell you one think, any military organisation is not helping anybody in their country. They are toying around and telling themselfs they are heroes but the fact is, they are the reason for alot of suffering. Their country is bankrupt because of all the expensive equipment. And they see their friends die for no apparent reason.

And of course i do not say that everybody is like that in the army. But many are for sure because what other reason do you have to join other then joy in using weapons or a blindfold in front of your eyes.
 

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Seth is an Air Force ranger I believe, So He's legit.

Countries have and maintain armies just so their citizens wouldn't have to fear every single moment being invaded by other countries or private interests with power. The absence of militaristic might is like saying to other countries

"Hey guys! come rape us and conquer our shit!!". However I DO not approve of countries using their armies to invade other countries.
 

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Swiss doesnt have an army for centuries. Have you ever heard of them getting attacked?
And come on, please tell me, seriously, if france would say they will not have any military forces anymore at all. Do you really think any surrounding country in europe would try to invade france?
Not in the 23th century.

A country like india, south korea, pakistan or bangladesh needs a standing army. They have a reason for this.
But no country on earth would dare to attack europe or the USA. And military forces help little against terrorism.
 

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Who needs military to feel safe at home? Thats moronic.
You dont have any enemies, all countries around you are mexico and canada. Canada would never attack you and mexico wouldnt do it either.
Terrorists will hit nevertheless. An army will never stop them.

It is completely useless nowadays.
Against whom do you want to protect your country from? The russians invading america with tanks on balloons flying over the atlantic ocean?
No country on earth would ever dare to declare war upon another first world country.
All the countries in central europe, the USA, canada and australia are standing up for each other.

The soldiers of all the first world countries went to afghanistan, or where ever they went and what did it do? Money was thrown out of the window thats it. Terrorism didnt stop at all.
Every week there are news about another bomb exploding here or there or somewhere. Every now and then another terrorist suicide bombs innocent people for no apparent reason.

Did the army or anybody else stop it? Did you protect anybody? Bullshit, you didnt help.
Imagine how much harm and suffering our soldiers have brought to the innocent people in the middle east.
Imagine how much money was spent on military equipment, on tanks and soldiers. What do you think how much better that money could have been spent.
i tell you one think, any military organisation is not helping anybody in their country. They are toying around and telling themselfs they are heroes but the fact is, they are the reason for alot of suffering. Their country is bankrupt because of all the expensive equipment. And they see their friends die for no apparent reason.

And of course i do not say that everybody is like that in the army. But many are for sure because what other reason do you have to join other then joy in using weapons or a blindfold in front of your eyes.

The more you talk, the more I realize you have NO idea what you are talking about. There's really no point in arguging with you because your opinion just doesn't make sense.

Having a defense creates war? Really?

There aren't armies in Africa and look at how messed up that country is. Kids being trained to murder one another. It's not terrorism, not the entire evil in the world is terrorism. But you, not knowing what you're talking about, I can't expect you to realize a lil thing like the truth.

I really just don't give a damn what else you have to say. Not only is it incorrect, but it's ridiculous.
 

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Sounds to me like a case of he really wanted to kill his landlady, she was probably a pain in his ass and it sounds like the excuse he came up with is going to get him out of it. The fact that he is a veteran is likely just an ancillary and a cover to the real motives behind this.
 

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Sounds to me like a case of he really wanted to kill his landlady, she was probably a pain in his ass and it sounds like the excuse he came up with is going to get him out of it. The fact that he is a veteran is likely just an ancillary and a cover to the real motives behind this.
That's not a reason to kill someone! But I kinda agree with the rest of your post though.
 

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[...]
Having a defense creates war? Really?
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Where am i saying something like that?
I say an army is not going to protect "us" from war.
Was never talking about africa, was never talking about having an army but i say that not having an army will not cause any first world countries like central europe, the USA, canada, etc, any dangers.

I even said that a standing army is important for such countries in the more dangerous regions on earth.
But "we", the guys who were lucky when it came to birthplace, we dont need an army. Nobody would declare war on us.
Our armies just consume money and kill innocent people.
Armies dont stop terrorism, and terrorism is the only threat to countries like ours.
 

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Switzerland has a military. And this isn't the 23rd century.
 
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