Abortion 3

Discussion in 'Debates' started by ElderKingpin, May 20, 2009.

  1. ElderKingpin

    ElderKingpin Post in the anime section, or die.

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    I ive seen the other 2 abortion threads, but the one thing that troubles me.. IS it right to let the person have the choice to abortion? Is it right for that to even be a possibility? Honestly, i dont think people should have the choice, if you want to give up your child, put him up for adoption, then again, what if you came about by rape, that would put a huge emotional strain on the child. Then again... that would be only one of the situations, otherwise it would be the parent's fault, you shouldnt have a baby unless one is ready. :confused: IMO it should be illegal
     
  2. Ninva

    Ninva Анна Ахматова

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    I agree. Teenage parents aren't capable of thinking about others. They're selfish, and to support that universal selfishness by allowing teens to abort is an immoral tragedy. I believe abortion should be illegal, but I know this is a mere dream in our modern society. Women should be educated about the risks of supporting abortion, and they should be more considerate about the life they're throwing away. Abortion should not be a regular thing.
     
  3. Varine

    Varine And as the moon rises, we shall prepare for war

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    No abortion is bad and should be revoked but Obama is in office and therefore won't because the judges have radical majority and only left wing ones will be put in during this administration.

    Why... WHY even bother making another one?
     
  4. sqrage

    sqrage Moderator Staff Member

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    Illegalizing it wont stop it, it will just make the conditions surrounding it much worse.

    And why shouldn't they be able to decide for themselves? They are the ones that are pregnant, it's their body and their baby. The world is already far too overpopulated and the child will be raised poorly for a teenage parent who can barely support them.
     
  5. Varine

    Varine And as the moon rises, we shall prepare for war

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    The world isn't too overpopulated at all. Some areas are, not the world.

    It's a consequence of an action; nothing will be learned and it's wasting a life that no one knows the future of. If women get to essentially kill a baby, I think I should be able to go at least ten over the posted speed limit.
     
  6. Ninva

    Ninva Анна Ахматова

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    There is adoption. We only ask to give the kid a chance. The teenage parent can move on. The child can move on. If they want to meet, the door is open. Life can go on.

    Teenagers should practice Chastity. If they can't keep their gentiles to themselves, then they get a baby. No one forced them to have a baby. We have sex to reproduce. That's what the teacher in their biology class said. Why don't they listen? Because there's always abortion.

    Abortion should be illegal because these thoughts will only progress. Soon mothers will be aborting biannually (worst possible outcome). This is totally unacceptable, and I'm worried about giving children the ability to murder other children unnecessarily and consistently: "Everyone is doing it."
     
  7. Azlier

    Azlier Old World Ghost

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    Ninva is very good at reading my mind.
     
  8. Pineapple

    Pineapple Just Smile.

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    I fully disagree about making abortion illigal. In fact I think its not far enough. If the man wants to abort, it should be done. Or at the least the man who wanted an abortion should not be forced to take part in the raising of a baby that only one party wanted.

    Hell, after so many abortions you can't get pregnant anymore (I think its like 3 or 4).

    And on a similar subject, as far as I am concerned a fetus is not in any way a human.

    So you know what I think? Keep it in your pants. Its easier that way, but if you can't and you want to abort, do it.

    I do realize some of you think this post was horrid and disgusting.

    Good day.
     
  9. sqrage

    sqrage Moderator Staff Member

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    >>We have sex to reproduce.

    And we also have hormones so we can be turned on and have sex.

    Seriously, who only has sex to reproduce? It's one of the greatest pleasures in life and masturbation doesn't even compare.

    >>If they can't keep their gentiles to themselves, then they get a baby.

    There are condoms and birth control pills for a reason. They are pretty much guaranteed to keep you from getting a girl pregnant so I don't think you can blame someone if the condom breaks because they are advertised and not allowing you to get pregnant.

    >>There is adoption. We only ask to give the kid a chance. The teenage parent can move on. The child can move on. If they want to meet, the door is open. Life can go on.

    Yea right. If someone wants an abortion they want it for a reason. They don't want to go through with the pregnancy. The part about having the kid isn't the only bad part, don't forget about the 9 months of pregnancy.
    If abortion is illegalized, I'm investing thousands in hangers...
     
  10. Varine

    Varine And as the moon rises, we shall prepare for war

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    9 months and a lesson learned. Same thing with everything else, why should sex be different?
     
  11. Ninva

    Ninva Анна Ахматова

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    Yes, we have sex to reproduce. In evolution, man had sex to reproduce in the earlier stages of his evolution. This is still true because when you have unprotected sex, you get a baby. There's no surprise. Protected sex isn't guaranteed to be safe at all. You can still get STDs and a baby, yet none of that should be a surprise! When you have sex, you're going to get a baby.

    This is high school freshmen stuff.

    I don't blame hormones. I have them too. Guess what, I'm a virgin by choice. I have had plenty of girlfriends. They were different some wanted to have sex and pressured me to do it, and others didn't. But I never popped my cherry. It's possible.
     
  12. phyrex1an

    phyrex1an Staff Member and irregular helper Staff Member

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    In other words: By your quest to make the world live up to your own moral standards you're willing to remove the freedom of choice from others. You're as selfish as them so please don't put yourself on a higher ground in this matter.

    I agree fully with this though. With the addition that it isn't only women that should be educated.
    What I don't agree with is that you try to force your own morals upon others by law instead of preaching.
     
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  13. ElderKingpin

    ElderKingpin Post in the anime section, or die.

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    who came up with abortion anyway.. was some guy thinking "oh, i dont want a baby, ill just off it". If abortion isnt going to be illegal, funding towards it should be stopped, it should be a private operation, not something the government is wasting money towards.
     
  14. sqrage

    sqrage Moderator Staff Member

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    >>When you have sex, you're going to get a baby.

    I'm not a parent... and neither is my ex.

    >>In evolution, man had sex to reproduce in the earlier stages of his evolution.

    Yea, that's clearly not the case anymore because people have sex more frequently just for pleasure than to reproduce.
    And if we only had sex to reproduce why would condoms and birth control exist in the first place?

    And I agree with what phrex said, why is it your business what people do with their lives? You're not "god" so it's not up to you to control these things. If god didn't want people to have abortions then it wouldn't be possible to have them in the first place.

    If sex was only for reproduction then maybe it wouldn't be so pleasurable like it is for other animals such as cats.
     
  15. Ninva

    Ninva Анна Ахматова

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    I am not forcing my morals on anyone. I have the right to have an opinion. Forcing my morals on someone would be me enslaving a group of people to do my bidding. I am not playing "god," you guys have it so wrong. Do not personally attack me. This is not about Ninva, seriously. Think. How am I selfish for standing up for a belief that I strongly hold: that a embryo is a human being? I think your statement is both irrelevant and hurtful.

    What would you do if you had a child? People who have sex produce children. It's a possibly and natural consequence. I do not support premarital sex because children could possibly have more children. That's a risk I'd rather not have teenagers take.

    Abortion has been around for a long, long time.

    According the the book of Job, God allows the devil to tempt humans, so that man is tested. Abortion is a temptation God allows. This sounds like nonsense to you, but this is why we believe "god" allows humans to abort.

    Sex was designed to have fun? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
     
  16. Varine

    Varine And as the moon rises, we shall prepare for war

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    So does everybody else. Might as well jump on the bandwagon, as it's more effective. The country was founded on christianity and morality, and obviously just as some people want to move away from that foundation, others want to return to it.
     
  17. DogOfHavoc

    DogOfHavoc Future Tragedy

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    The idea that Ninva is "preaching" or forcing his morals on others is ridiculous. That's like saying the government shouldn't make homicide illegal because it is based on "moral grounds." Killing humans is wrong. Unfortunately, when it comes to abortion the issue is not so clear cut. It's debatable as to at exactly what point an embryo becomes a human being; many say it is at conception. However, I have trouble believing a tiny cell is a human life. By that rational the skin cells that fall off my body are human lives as well. I think that when a baby has brain functions and thoughts it's a human. Problem is, that could be seen as an arbitrary point in human development. It's simply the point where I personally believe a human being begins.

    I think abortion as it currently is a necessary evil. If it wasn't legal people would do it at home and even more deaths would occur. This isn't a fun issue and there really is no solution that can solve everything.

    As a final point, I don't think there is inherently wrong with premarital sex. Yes, it can cause babies, but proper protection can go a long way in preventing this. People are always going to have sex, and at this point in human evolution pleasure, rather than reproduction, is the goal here.
     
  18. Azlier

    Azlier Old World Ghost

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    >I don't think there is inherently wrong with premarital sex
    Has anything truly good come out of it? No. Only bad things.

    I believe a fetus is no less human than us. Just because it's undeveloped doesn't make it inhuman. Children are undeveloped humans, therefore they are lesser and we are allowed to murder them?

    >Killing humans is wrong.
    Is it not incredible how people agree that killing people is wrong? The very fact that we know that killing is wrong is fascinating.

    >I think abortion as it currently is a necessary evil.
    Murder is not a necessary evil. The only people that you are really allowed to kill are the ones shooting you and your family. This is what I believe.

    After all, who is the one who gets punished in abortion? The father? No, he "benefits". The mother? Same, really. Probably some depression associated, but otherwise fine. The human life destroyed in abortion is the victim, and yet it is completely innocent. Something is very wrong, there.
     
  19. Knight7770

    Knight7770 Hippopotomonstrosesquiped aliophobia

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    Children aren't undeveloped; they're developing. It's a known fact that children have the ability to reason. For example, if you feed a child something green that tastes horrible, the child is likely to associate green with tasting horrible. If you do the same to a fetus (if it were possible), I don't think the fetus is likely to associate green things with tasting horrible. That's not the best example, but how many things can you do to a fetus to test if it can reason?

    So it's never a necessary evil...except sometimes?

    If you can give me some proof that a young fetus can think for itself (therefore a human), I might believe you. Maybe.
     
  20. Azlier

    Azlier Old World Ghost

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    >Children aren't undeveloped; they're developing.
    Both, really. They are not developed, they are still developing. Undeveloped.

    >So it's never a necessary evil...except sometimes?
    It's not murder if you kill someone in self-defense.

    >a young fetus can think for itself
    It doesn't matter if a fetus cannot think for itself. It is still human life. If it isn't, then what is it? A cow?
     

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