abortion

[FireCat]

This is hardly part of the discussion - rape and incest shouldn't even be in the same discussion, they are extreme scenarios that make up a very small minority of relevant cases, and typically are extremely violent crimes that fall into a totally separate category with special exceptions.

I agree with you there !

 

[Slapshot136]

update with a news article

this time it's the reverse - women are (trying to) make laws regulating mens health

 

[Mahucharn]

Not to bring up an old argument, but I figured that I may as well chime in. I'm sort of split between the issue.

Pro-Life: Killing babies is bad. I see several flaws in the commonly used argument that a woman should be able to decide what to do with her body. That being said, I do not deny any of the physical/mental changes that women undergo; however, ultimately abortion is killing a body that is not the mother's.

Pro-choice: Circumstances. While I do believe that everything happens for a reason, I still think that abortions should be available for circumstances in which the woman had no say in the matter (i.e. she was [sorry for being blunt] raped).

I agree with the Cross' argument that the father should have a say on the abortion, as abortions not only kill the mother's child, but also the father's. Just to be clear, I am not against birth control. Sure, if you're going to have sex without the intent of having a child, use condoms and bipass the matter entirely (just please make sure you know what you're doing/the risk you're taking).

-Mahu

 

[Slapshot136]

(i.e. she was [sorry for being blunt] raped).

that brings up the issue of what is "rape" - can a woman qualify for an abortion because she was raped, yet does not want to reveal the name of the attacker? (due to it being a friend/family/etc. as is often the case)? if so, how do you prevent abuse from women claiming that they were raped whenever they want an abortion?

 

[Varine]

It's quite different if you give away your child for to be adoption. But if you are not, It doesn't mean that the obligation isn't still there.

No, it's not. But I fail to see why I should even attempt to explain the legal aspects of it to you so I will not.

 

[FireCat]

No, it's not.

Yes yes it is

When Paternity Is Agreed On or Presumed acknowledged father.
An acknowledged father is a biological father of a child born to unmarried parents, for whom paternity has been established by either the admission of the father or the agreement of the parents.
An acknowledged father must pay child support.

Presumed father. If any of the following are true, a man is presumed to be the father of a child, unless he or the mother proves otherwise to a court:

The man was married to the mother when the child was conceived or born, although some states do not consider a man to be a presumed father if the couple has separated.
The man attempted to marry the mother (even if the marriage was not valid) and the child was conceived or born during the attempted marriage.
The man married the mother after the birth and agreed either to have his name on the birth certificate or to support the child.
The man welcomed the child into his home and openly held the child out as his own.

In some states, any of these presumptions of paternity is considered conclusive, which means it cannot be disproven, even with contradictory blood tests. In Michael H. v. Gerald D., 491 U.S. 110 (1989), the U.S. Supreme Court upheld California's presumed father statute as a rational method of protecting the integrity of the family against challenges based on the due process rights of the father and the child.

A presumed father must pay child support.

Equitable parent. The law has changed a great deal in the last decade, and now in quite a few states, a spouse who is not a legal parent (biological or adoptive) may be granted custody or visitation under the notion of equitable parent. Courts apply this concept when a spouse and child have a close relationship and consider themselves parent and child or where the biological parent encouraged this relationship. If the court grants an equitable parent custody or visitation, then the parent will also be required to pay child support.

Alleged father. An unmarried man who impregnates a woman is often referred to as an alleged father, or sometimes simply as an unwed father. An alleged or unwed father will be required to pay child support if a court determines or he acknowledges that he's the father; in addition, an alleged or unwed father has the right to visitation with his child and may seek custody.

 

[Varine]

That only says circumstances in which a child might be conceived. It doesn't get into the legality of what happens when someone doesn't want it.

 

[FireCat]

That only says circumstances in which a child might be conceived. It doesn't get into the legality of what happens when someone doesn't want it.

Well, maybe. But you still have to pay things like child support. If this case comes up in court! Right?
It's another matter, if You and the other parent may well be able to agree on an "appropriate amount of child support between yourselves well or not to pay at all hmm

If you're man enough to have sex, you're man enough to pay child support!.

 

[Nigerianrulz]

If you're man enough to have sex, you're man enough to pay child support!.

correction

It should be man enough to have sex without condom and actually be stupid enough to stay in there when you explode

what happens after ill let you and varine duke it out. Love it when you 2 posts.

 

[Varine]

Well, maybe. But you still have to pay things like child support. If this case comes up in court! Right?
It's another matter, if You and the other parent may well be able to agree on an "appropriate amount of child support between yourselves well or not to pay at all hmm

If you're man enough to have sex, you're man enough to pay child support!.

Are you a guy or a girl?

 

[FireCat]

Oh dear.. @Varine