Critical, Hardened Skin, Orb of Lightning/Slow high proc rate bugged?

[Chocobo]

Are those abilities bugged when close to 97% proc rate? (80-97)

http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php?t=123653


I'd like to have more data on it from other users. Just run the map and try a proc rate on each type of skill. Then post a screenshot.

"-test 1000" (to make a dataset of 1000, not sure if it needs to run twice for -orbs) then...
"-orbs" once all units died...
"-avoid" ...
"-block"...
"-crit"...
use "-remove" when you feel bored of a test (or stop at 1000 if you feel so)

note: on crit, if you see red numbers apeparing (Critical Strike) and then they stop appearing, it's because warcraft 3 reached the 100 texttags limit.

note 2 : weird that Evasion is not affected by that bug. Perhaps because it does not tend to avoid 1 hit every x attacks, while the other abilities do...

 

[TheCrystal]

I would guess Evasion works differently then CriticalStrike.

 

[Chocobo]

I would guess Evasion works differently then CriticalStrike.

"note 2 : weird that Evasion is not affected by that bug. Perhaps because it does not tend to avoid 1 hit every x attacks, while the other abilities do..."

 

[TheCrystal]

Your note 2 confused me, I thought it was refering to note 1.

Just looked at it.

Obviously Blizzard fucked shit up again with this or something. There's quite literally no reason that I can think of for any of this to bug like that, that or it's the guy who made the system's fault.

 

[millzy]

i dunno y but iv got alot of units using crit and the text still comes up after 30 mins into the game are u sure that it stops apearing?

 

[Chocobo]

well it seems evasion is a linear ability to it's % proc (0.01 for 1%)

but others seem not (looks for instance for tester 50%).


>i dunno y but iv got alot of units using crit and the text still comes up after 30 mins into the game are u sure that it stops apearing?

100 texttags at same time. not 1 by 1.

 

[KileRatZ]

OP is correct, I actually got to the same conclusion a few months ago with a map of my own, made a few hundred blademasters critting and then checked how high the % chance truly is, here are my findings after 1 million hits per each possible percentage from 30% onward:
- 30% --> 29,12326% (this one was tested with 10M)
- 35% --> 33,5590%
- 40% --> 37,7428%
- 45% --> 41,7995%
- 50% --> 45,6850%
- 55% --> 49,3820%
- 60% --> 52,9197%
- 65% --> 56,3705%
- 70% --> 59,7804%
- 75% --> 63,2070%
- 80% --> 66,6866%
- 85% --> 70,4326%
- 90% --> 74,9626%
- 95% --> 81,3153%
- 100% --> 100%

Edit: this applies to skills based on pulverize, critical strike, bash, cleave, and hardened skin, because those are the skills that use a pseudo random chance system. As far as I know, other % chance abilities like Curse and Evasion do not.

 

[Yoshii]

hm the chance to crit 100% of the time over 1000 hit at 98% chance is 98/100^1000 basically 1/100,000,000 something is def up

 

[KileRatZ]

Actually that's because warcraft 3 rounds each of these chances to the nearest 5% and then goes on from there (again, doesn't apply for evasion). So for example, your crit will have a same 35% chance whenever you set the chance to 33/34/35/36/37% in the editor.

And since 98% is closer to 100% than it is to 95%, warcraft 3 rounds it to 100%.

 

[Sessional]

According to killerratz data it's a decently linear increase from 30-95%

.843442 * X + 2.707211 between the values of 30&95

Anyone else have anything? this looks like it could be fun to play with to see the outcome!

 

[Samael88]

If what KillRatz is saying is correct, then a unit with 98%crit should always crit, right?

I want to know where you got that info from, care to share that?

 

[jwallstone]

Killratz is correct. It's been described before by Blizzard.

 

[Samael88]

Killratz is correct. It's been described before by Blizzard.

I for one still want to see some link to where blizzard has stated that. I also recall seeing that somewhere, but I still doubt it tho.
It would be a really stupid thing to do if you ask me:nuts:

And also, how are they detecting the crit?
Each time I run a trigger that tries to check how many times a unit is hit based on unit takes damage.
Footman and a peasant.
Normal: 1
Crit:4
The peasant has no armor and no regen.
The first time the footman hits I always get a 0 on my check no matter how I try to correct it. I wonder if that is just me or if it is the test.

I posted the trigger if anyone is wondering how it looks:

Spoiler

• Detection
  • Events
    • Unit - Peasant 0000 <gen> Takes damage
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set Hits = (Hits + 1)
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • Hits Equal to 10
      • Then - Actions
        • Unit - Kill Peasant 0000 <gen>
        • Game - Display to (All players) for 30.00 seconds the text: (Hits: + (String(Hits)))
        • Game - Display to (All players) for 30.00 seconds the text: (Crits: + (String(crits)))
      • Else - Actions
    • Set LifeNow = (Life of Peasant 0000 <gen>)
    • Set Check = (CurrentLife - LifeNow)
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • Check Greater than or equal to 2.00
      • Then - Actions
        • Set crits = (crits + 1)
      • Else - Actions
    • Set CurrentLife = LifeNow
    • Game - Display to (All players) for 30.00 seconds the text: (Check: + (String(Check)))

I know I am a little rusty, but I can't find anything wrong with it, and if the maker of that map has not taken that into consideration, then it is not a correctly done test.

Edit: I just find it odd that blizzard would do such a stupid thing, it would not be the first time they have done something stupid tho.

 

[KileRatZ]

I definitely understand why you want more proof. Personally, I'm not sure but I believe I heard first of the 5% rounding while reading a topic which explains the pseudo random distribution - link: http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=245439 (I also just noticed my findings got added in there too, w00t).

After seeing this pseudo randomization trick, I wanted to get real proof by making a testmap myself (and then the inproper chances at higher values were found, kind of by accident). And honestly that's your best bet, make a map yourself and try it! Or run mine / OP's if you trust us

Here's the link to mine: http://rapidshare.com/files/274845792/CritExperiment.w3x

 

[Chocobo]

>The first time the footman hits I always get a 0 on my check no matter how I try to correct it. I wonder if that is just me or if it is the test.

note : The unit actually takes damage "after" all your actions there (a timer of 0.00 is needed to actually apply the damage then do something with it - thread search might help for that)

peasant takes dmg.. (10 hp)
LifeNow = 10
Check = 0
display : 0
peasant is hit (9 hp)
peasant takes dmg (9 hp)
LifeNow = 9
Check = 1
display : 1
...

well, use (Damage taken) instead of that "Check".


>this applies to skills based on pulverize, critical strike, bash, cleave, and hardened skin, because those are the skills that use a pseudo random chance system. As far as I know, other % chance abilities like Curse and Evasion do not.

yes.


>If what KillRatz is saying is correct, then a unit with 98%crit should always crit, right?

yes.
actual crit proc rate = round(current proc rate/0.05)/25

 

[Chocobo]

to kileratz : " link: http://forums.dota-allstars.com/inde...owtopic=245439 " doesn't work ("Sorry, the link that brought you to this page seems to be out of date or broken.")

 

[Legacyspy]

Could this be because blizzard uses a system where each time you don't crit, your %chance to crit increases, and each time you do crit it decreases, in order to avoid long runs of crit or no crit?

 

[KileRatZ]

to kileratz : " link: http://forums.dota-allstars.com/inde...owtopic=245439 " doesn't work ("Sorry, the link that brought you to this page seems to be out of date or broken.")

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=245439

Seems to work for me. Just click it, don't copy the text .

 

[Joccaren]

My critical strike works at any % level 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95 and 100% all work for me.

 

[Chocobo]

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>My critical strike works at any % level 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,85,90,95 and 100% all work for me.

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