Tool Custom Map Ladder

[phyrex1an]

Ouch, many questions. I'll answer them as good as I can

>I assume they will not work because it isn' t hard to check what is your current server address (if it isn' t one of Blizzard official ones, bye, bye.).
If save games saves to the same place with an unofficial server as the official ones and the save game format is the same then there is sadly nothing I can do to stop unofficial servers to use the ladder tool.

>Didn' t they found better way to trigger "save stats",
There are other ways, but all of them include injecting dlls into wc3 or read the ram at run time. Both are techniques used by map hacks and I feel a bit uncomfortable using something that can be mistaken as a hack. Saving is something that wc3 supports and once the game is saved they don't know if another application reads from the save game.

>Big maps will take more time to "submit" scores because when you hit save it will save everything ?
The lenght of the game, number of players and number of units are more important factors than map size.
A 40 minute game of AoM takes about 5 seconds to save, compressed save game is 10MB and the uncompressed is 500MB.

>Isn' t there way to "inject" that program into Warcraft so it would start automatically?

>Or chat command what would turn program on or off from in-game like these "ping" tools do ?
That would be on the "to do" list if this becomes something that is actually used.

>This system is awsome but always people like me wants it become better and better... sad isn' t it ?
Nope ^^

>Nice work though, really !
Thanks

 

[Sooda]

I just had interesting idea, you can inject your own natives to Warcraft. What if you would use that new native with GetLocalPlayer() == Player(udg_somePlayer), will it still desync ? Only local code why it should check other players natives ? Maybe it could be used somehow ? Thinking twice it would limit players who can submit stats only to players who have special native .
Now to detect valid players (Official server(s)), maybe CustomLadderBot in somewhere who will whisper to all users who' s score was submited are they in Battle.net. If it says unknown account (They aren' t in Official Server). Of course submitted player account name and account name in servers should exist . That "check" would cause much data flow and would slow down your server ? I imagine you should look player names from every official server (Means huh 4 bots ? in different servers ?).
There would be something good too, with that check you could whisper to players their current rank or just "stats saved".

Though there are problems with players who like to spoof their name or maps what change player name to whatever (Maybe helps to save player names before that ?).
I' m working with my racing game right now. In the future () when I finish it (if I, I hope so, I need to hope.) I would use your ladder It would give much to just "playing that map".

EDIT:

Or better say if I don' t care about hackers (What they could hack in racing game ?) would there be easier solution to save stats ?

EDIT: You don' t have to answer, I first finish map and then I could tell how good or bad is that send stats with "save" feature. Thinking triple if people want to create their own season then they will send results too. My PC just sucks badly thats why I don' t like that save

 

[phyrex1an]

I just had interesting idea, you can inject your own natives to Warcraft. What if you would use that new native with GetLocalPlayer() == Player(udg_somePlayer), will it still desync ? Only local code why it should check other players natives ? Maybe it could be used somehow ? Thinking twice it would limit players who can submit stats only to players who have special native .

Problem is that is no way to know if a player has native or not, except calling that native and by then it's to late. Also, injecting natives is considered hacking and not something that I want to force users to do. Even reading from save games is pretty close to breaking the blizzard ToS.

Now to detect valid players (Official server(s)), maybe CustomLadderBot in somewhere who will whisper to all users who' s score was submited are they in Battle.net. If it says unknown account (They aren' t in Official Server). Of course submitted player account name and account name in servers should exist . That "check" would cause much data flow and would slow down your server ? I imagine you should look player names from every official server (Means huh 4 bots ? in different servers ?).
There would be something good too, with that check you could whisper to players their current rank or just "stats saved".

This has been a great concern for me and this is definitely a possible way, it doesn't sound as something my current server is able to handle thought. I don't really know how bots works but I think that they are only able to connect to one server at the time which mean that I must have 4 instances running at once.

Though there are problems with players who like to spoof their name or maps what change player name to whatever (Maybe helps to save player names before that ?).

The ladder currently detects players with invalid bnet names so that kind of spoof is not possible but changing the name to a valid one is something that even bnet can't detect (on custom games), maybe the above solution can help with that to. Maps that change the player name is not a problem since the name is recorded before the "Map Initialization".

I' m working with my racing game right now. In the future () when I finish it (if I, I hope so, I need to hope.) I would use your ladder It would give much to just "playing that map".

Definitely. No game is complete without a ladder, even blizzard knows that

EDIT: You don' t have to answer, I first finish map and then I could tell how good or bad is that send stats with "save" feature. Thinking triple if people want to create their own season then they will send results too. My PC just sucks badly thats why I don' t like that save

I did answer anyway.
I don't like the save neither, sadly that's the only blizzard supported way I know to export custom data from a game. Hopefully a save at the end of the game isn't that bad.

Good luck with your racing map.

 

[PurgeandFire]

It seems cool. But the thing is, people can just easily make a map, then protect it with an automatic win thing and just get a bunch of wins.

 

[phyrex1an]

Well, if you want to get wins for a map you created yourself, why not? It's not like all maps shares the same ladder or something.

 

[Sooda]

5 Star Bump

 

[U are a noob]

5 Star Bump

I thought that right was reserved by The Helper?
I really like this tool and I hope a big map starts to use it.

 

[Magentix]

Could it in any way be possible to get the scores of all players?

Say you started a game and I wanted the game to balance out the teams based on player scores...

 

[phyrex1an]

Not possible, or ask blizzard if they want to add natives that communicate with a 3rd party website... You can't even get the scores on the battle.net ladder from inside a map

 

[Magentix]

Hmm, that's sad.

Would make a huge difference in attractability

 

[phyrex1an]

It's nothing I can do something about anyway, I'm happy that there was a way to export custom data from a map without hacking the game. There's a reason why people uses "save/load" codes even when it's the most impractical way to save/load that exist.

 

[Oninuva]

This is recieved when attempting to add new map to ladder.

array(4) { ["mapname"]=>  array(2) { ["value"]=>  string(17) "The First Assault" ["valid"]=>  bool(true) } ["download"]=>  array(2) { ["value"]=>  string(0) "" ["valid"]=>  bool(false) } ["description"]=>  array(2) { ["value"]=>  string(0) "" ["valid"]=>  bool(true) } ["image"]=>  array(2) { ["value"]=>  array(5) { ["name"]=>  string(0) "" ["type"]=>  string(0) "" ["tmp_name"]=>  string(0) "" ["error"]=>  int(4) ["size"]=>  int(0) } ["valid"]=>  bool(true) } }

Also, is it meant for capital letters to not be allowed with user names?

 

[phyrex1an]

:/ One hurray for forgotten debug code. Lucky that it doesn't contain anything important...

Anyway, you did not provide a home page link. I guess that since you haven't released the map you don't have one. So, link requirement removed.

>Also, is it meant for capital letters to not be allowed with user names?
Capital letters are allowed. What did you try?

 

[mOoEyThEcOw]

so is this thing still working/active? because I might implement it into my map...

 

[phyrex1an]

so is this thing still working/active? because I might implement it into my map...

I assume* that it is "kinda working". It still have (a lot of) rough edges, eg impossible edit after submission. I've been planning an update within the next month for about one year now. Read: The update it coming when it's done

* No one have tested it in a really long time and it is living on my testing server... Not the most never-changing thing in this universe.

If you want to give it a try then I'm happy to help.

 

[Blackveiled]

Lol, I know its stupid to say this, but on the first post, Warcraft is misspelt

 

[Chocobo]

any normal JASS version for script?

 

[Terrabull]

I'm considering adding this to Civ and Recruit Wars. Have you thought about using replays to detect data?
Also, how do you prevent people from submitting the same game multiple times?

 

[psychophat]

Does it still work on version 1.24?

 

[jim7777]

Uhmm hello.......

I very like this ladder system. I try to import it to my map and change on how it works with the score and everything else. But when i protect it, warcraft doesn't read it anymore. When I create my map, it just redirects to the Game List instead of the Game Room.

I use Vexorian's Map Optimizer 4.9.

But when I removed the libraries... it just works fine..... Could you please try to reconstruct the libraries in a readable manner...... if you can because I really want to use it for my map... Thanks