US News Death row inmate: I'm too fat to execute

[Varine]

I find headshots to be particularly effective.

How can you say this? I'm sure you've done things you're not proud of.. everyone has. I'm also sure that you would not like these things to happen to you - and you don't deserve them either. This is because you've been forgiven.

My mistakes rarely involve intentionally killing people. Accidently sometimes, but the conditions were a little different.

Eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

Then stop poking people in their fucking eye.

 

[Miz]

if he not be executed, he can try to lost the weight and try to escape.

If he lost weight then couldn't we execute him...

Really, I am kind of neutral on capital punishment, Although I am also not completely disagreeing with executions, I do believe for any civil society to exist, order must be enforced, meaning punishments also have to exist as well. More serious of the crime, the more serious the punishment. That is the basics of the justice system.

BTW the whole 'Eye for an Eye' thing was used in ancient times, and even then it didn't really work out...

 

[esb]

In that case, let him free? Forgive him and let him go. See he has changed his ways. He's too fat to catch another victim isn't he? But when it's you, your sister, your daughter, or someone that you know that gets raped, simply forgive him, after all, that's what the lord taught us right?

 

[TheDamien]

I don't see anyone suggesting that he be allowed to run free.

 

[esb]

The reason he is in jail, is because he commited a crime, and obviously he has to pay (variety of eye for an eye). Yet some (in here) say he should be forgiven, cut some slack, not get the sentence that was given the him(death), etc. If he should be forgiven, then that means you forgive everything he did, and don't punish him. Jail is his punishment.
Forgiveness = no punishment = set free.

 

[TheDamien]

The reason he is in jail, is because he commited a crime, and obviously he has to pay (variety of eye for an eye). Yet some (in here) say he should be forgiven, cut some slack, not get the sentence that was given the him(death), etc. If he should be forgiven, then that means you forgive everything he did, and don't punish him. Jail is his punishment.
Forgiveness = no punishment = set free.

Why is it that he "obviously has to pay"? He is in jail and is hence effectively neutralized. Making him suffer unnecessarily is barbaric, and I'd like to think that civil society has elevated itself above that level.

I think the point that is being made about forgiveness is that perhaps the criminal did make a mistake and that he should not be made to suffer purely on that basis. It is in the interest of society that these types of criminals are locked up forever, but it is certainly in no interest to torture them or subject them to crueler punishments for the sake of vengeance.

Personally I would prefer him not to be executed and to just stay in prison.

 

[esb]

Torture? Isn' getting raped in jail by other guys, knowing you're just living for no reason at all, and being known as a rapist isn't torture?

He is not in jail to be 'neutralized', he is in jail because he broke a law and is now paying by doing some 'time'.

That law is the law, if it says you're going to get executed, then so be it. There are many ways to kill a fat person without torture. And really, does it really matter if he suffers slightly? He will only remember for what, a second or two?

Sorry if I sound evil or w/e, but this 'forgiveness' crap sounds like BS to me. And deep down everyone of you guys, you know you wish that he 'payed' somehow.

 

[Jedimindtrixxx]

He is not in jail to be 'neutralized', he is in jail because he broke a law and is now paying by doing some 'time'.

That law is the law, if it says you're going to get executed, then so be it. There are many ways to kill a fat person without torture. And really, does it really matter if he suffers slightly? He will only remember for what, a second or two?

Sorry if I sound evil or w/e, but this 'forgiveness' crap sounds like BS to me. And deep down everyone of you guys, you know you wish that he 'payed' somehow.

i agree. what happened to the ol gallows? the fat ones were the best for those LOL
and the gas chamber
and the electric chair

do they have to do the injection? he raped and murdered 2 women, not only did he murder them he raped them. the thing is hes fat so the last thing they thought was "omg im getting raped by a fat guy" dont tell me you dont feel the least bit sorry for those girls. i think even if he doesnt get executed he shuld be sent for the life sentence with after 20 the probation thingy

 

[TheDamien]

Torture? Isn' getting raped in jail by other guys, knowing you're just living for no reason at all, and being known as a rapist isn't torture?

Not in the physical sense. If he is suffering, it certainly doesn't justify further cruelty.

He is not in jail to be 'neutralized', he is in jail because he broke a law and is now paying by doing some 'time'.

Punishment exists for myriad reasons but the fulfillment of some vague, metaphysical criteria of "paying" for a crime has not been one of them since ancient times. The point is that jail renders him fairly harmless.

That law is the law, if it says you're going to get executed, then so be it. There are many ways to kill a fat person without torture. And really, does it really matter if he suffers slightly? He will only remember for what, a second or two?

I think that the law needs to be changed in regards to the death penalty, but I was mentioning it only tangentially. The real issue is whether he should be made to suffer for his crimes or simply imprisoned and/or swiftly executed.

 

[esb]

I think you're thinking i think he should be tortured. All i'm saying is he should be executed as plan, quickly too.

I think mental torture is worse than physical torture. A lot slower too.

 

[Jedimindtrixxx]

if a man can escape from alcatraz, a fat man can escape a normal prison
lets see some1 escape death

 

[TheDamien]

I think you're thinking i think he should be tortured. All i'm saying is he should be executed as plan, quickly too.

I assumed from your "eye for an eye" comment earlier in the thread that you would have preferred to see him suffer as much as his victims suffered. If not, then we're pretty much in agreement.

I think mental torture is worse than physical torture. A lot slower too.

I don't think the two are comparable (although obviously both are a form of suffering).

if a man can escape from alcatraz, a fat man can escape a normal prison
lets see some1 escape death

People have been pronounced clinically dead in the past and experienced miraculous recoveries (two can play at that game).

 

[Zakyath]

If a jury decides that a murderer should be executet, that makes the jury to murderers too. They're no better then.

People get convicted for crimes they didn't do. Two percent of them, if I remember correctly.

In Canada, the murders has reduced by 44% since death penalty was removed.

 

[esb]

Yes, that's the problem with death penalty. It's all hypocritical. Anyone giving the sentence could be considered a murderer too, yet everyone would want to see him 'pay' one way or another and not see him/her walk away without any punishment.

And I guess eye for an eye was a bit too much, i meant more something like something done in return, of the same degree. Not exactly the same, just quickly.

 

[Varine]

I think the point that is being made about forgiveness is that perhaps the criminal did make a mistake and that he should not be made to suffer purely on that basis.

He still did the crimes intentionally with knowledge of the consequences that could come. This mistake bullshit is really idiotic. It's like saying I got bored and burned my house down to see what it looks like, then have someone build me a new one, for free, because it was just a little mistake as I didn't think about what would happen afterwards.

 

[Miz]

if a man can escape from alcatraz, a fat man can escape a normal prison
lets see some1 escape death

Final Destination?

 

[BANANAMAN]

can some one just shoot it to get it overwith

 

[Viikuna]

In Canada, the murders has reduced by 44% since death penalty was removed.

Its interesting that there is something in Human mind, that makes them want retribution even if it makes thing just to go worse.
People like to watch those movies, where the bad guy gets killed.
It is so much easier to look world trought black/white, good/ evil -glases.

Yes there is people who do bad things, and there will allways be. Because there cant be good without bad or bad without good, and they are like two sides of the same coin, the opposites.

Why noone believes that mercy is a good thing ey?

 

[Bartuc08]

First of all...

if a man can escape from alcatraz, a fat man can escape a normal prison
lets see some1 escape death

not gonna happen anytime soon, they nerfed cheat death.

I don't think he should be set free, I do believe he should be executed as planned, and like esb and I said earlier, so be it if they can't properly numb him before his death he won't remember the pain for long anyway...

Kill the man, but don't torture him. yes he raped 2 girls and murdered them, and had he done that to my family I'd have been pissed, but I'd want the man to die. and i can say I'd want it to be painful, but in the end i have the sense to know that by wanting him to suffer, I'm just as bad as him. cause what he did was make others suffer...

 

[BANANAMAN]

i have a question for everyone in this thread.

Does the inmate Exist inside or outside your monkeysphere?