Did Blizzard mentioned that we can make a FPS game just by using GUI?

Discussion in 'Starcraft 2 (SC2) Editor Help' started by tom_mai78101, Apr 7, 2010.

  1. tom_mai78101

    tom_mai78101 The Helper Connoisseur / Ex-MineCraft Host Staff Member

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    Long one. :p

    I seemed to recall that Blizzard mentioned this before in a preview video. But I forgot what and where that preview video is.

    Since I brought this topic up, I wanted to ask each of map scripters:

    What's the farthest limit the GUI-only map can go?

    Before thinking about coding and stuffs, we haven't seen much on GUI scripting. I think it's best for us to have some second thoughts on whether to "pre-learn" C language or use the GUI.

    I know coding is way better than GUI (GUI <= Coding), but to what extent does the coding benefits from GUI? It's possible all codes can be made just by using GUI. It's possible GUI is a "keyboard replacement/mouse-only coding" alternate method. It's possible that GUI is as readable as the codes used in the editor.

    There could be more variables, more tables, more randomness, more constants, more etc. than Warcraft 3 TFT.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. 13lade619

    13lade619 is now a game developer :)

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    nobody knows yet coz nobody has seen the editor itself.
     
  3. tom_mai78101

    tom_mai78101 The Helper Connoisseur / Ex-MineCraft Host Staff Member

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    Then we shouldn't tell ourselves to starting learning C, especially for those who had never done programming before.

    It's much painful than not to learn C that way. :(
     
  4. Orgasm

    Orgasm New Member

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    You learn C to understand everything more clearly. It helps to know more.
     
  5. Bloodcount

    Bloodcount Starcraft II Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes they did. In a video long ago they showed off some projects made for just a few hours using GUI only. There were 3 maps. One of them was a platformer. The last one was a third person shooter.
     
  6. EpicFlux

    EpicFlux Active Member

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    I think people are forgetting that custom scripting is their to expand on the things GUI can do. Such as going be on the parameters GUI ussually allows, other then that, GUI can do anything scripting can in a sense.
     
  7. Samael88

    Samael88 Evil always finds a way

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    If they have made a third person shooter then it just has to be possible to make an fps as well, I mean it has been done for wc3 so why not:D
     
  8. tom_mai78101

    tom_mai78101 The Helper Connoisseur / Ex-MineCraft Host Staff Member

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    I rest my case.:cool:
     
  9. Renendaru

    Renendaru (Evol)ution is nothing without love.

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    Yes, GUI can do most of what Jass, or vJass can do, but it will still leak, no matter what. GUI scripting will always leak, because of how they set it up. However, it's unknown how Galaxy's GUI will play out.
     
  10. tom_mai78101

    tom_mai78101 The Helper Connoisseur / Ex-MineCraft Host Staff Member

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    They did mentioned Galaxy has massively improved leak cleaning, but didn't mentioned if it's for GUI or codes. I'm hoping for the former.
     
  11. EpicFlux

    EpicFlux Active Member

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    Well it's possible to fix leaks via GUI. Though yes, a good scripter can eliminate leaks.
     
  12. Renendaru

    Renendaru (Evol)ution is nothing without love.

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    I know that's possible, but GUI has unavoidable leaks that cannot be fixed, unless you use v/Jass...
     
  13. Daskunk

    Daskunk SC2 Forum MVP - TheSkunk #386

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    @tom_mai78101: Yes, SC2's GUI is going to have garbage collection, so you don't have to worry about any leaks in GUI, unlike WC3.
     
  14. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    I'm confident someone will find leaks...
     
  15. tom_mai78101

    tom_mai78101 The Helper Connoisseur / Ex-MineCraft Host Staff Member

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    You brought up a good point there...:D
     
  16. Daskunk

    Daskunk SC2 Forum MVP - TheSkunk #386

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    Yeah, me too.. I just think its more likely that blizzard will fix their garbage collection often enough that leaks wont be a problem in GUI. (In their usual, slow fashion)
     
  17. Viikuna

    Viikuna No Marlo no game.

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    Even if GUI had all fucntions and thingies from Galaxy, it would still be inferior, because typing pwns clicking..
     
  18. Doomhammer

    Doomhammer Bob Kotick - Gamers' corporate spoilsport No. 1

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    what's the point in making a FPS with an RTS game engine?
     
  19. Darthfett

    Darthfett Super Mod

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    The fact that the engine's already there for you, millions of people can play the map easily, simply by downloading the (relatively small in file size) map, the engine is very flexible, etc.

    I personally think you're right about some points: it's never going to be as fast or clean/beautiful as a native-ly coded engine, but it is going to save tons of time to not have to create all the textures, models, physics, sound, etc. that you would have to create if you were to create the game from scratch. Think about it: everything is already there for you.
     
  20. Doomhammer

    Doomhammer Bob Kotick - Gamers' corporate spoilsport No. 1

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    Which may be one of the reasons why Blizz claims such a large portion of the premium share (70%, isn't it?).
     

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