Did Blizzard mentioned that we can make a FPS game just by using GUI?

[tom_mai78101]

Long one.

I seemed to recall that Blizzard mentioned this before in a preview video. But I forgot what and where that preview video is.

Since I brought this topic up, I wanted to ask each of map scripters:

What's the farthest limit the GUI-only map can go?

Before thinking about coding and stuffs, we haven't seen much on GUI scripting. I think it's best for us to have some second thoughts on whether to "pre-learn" C language or use the GUI.

I know coding is way better than GUI (GUI <= Coding), but to what extent does the coding benefits from GUI? It's possible all codes can be made just by using GUI. It's possible GUI is a "keyboard replacement/mouse-only coding" alternate method. It's possible that GUI is as readable as the codes used in the editor.

There could be more variables, more tables, more randomness, more constants, more etc. than Warcraft 3 TFT.

What do you guys think?

 

[13lade619]

nobody knows yet coz nobody has seen the editor itself.

 

[tom_mai78101]

Then we shouldn't tell ourselves to starting learning C, especially for those who had never done programming before.

It's much painful than not to learn C that way.

 

[Orgasm]

Then we shouldn't tell ourselves to starting learning C, especially for those who had never done programming before.

It's much painful than not to learn C that way.

You learn C to understand everything more clearly. It helps to know more.

 

[Bloodcount]

Yes they did. In a video long ago they showed off some projects made for just a few hours using GUI only. There were 3 maps. One of them was a platformer. The last one was a third person shooter.

 

[EpicFlux]

I think people are forgetting that custom scripting is their to expand on the things GUI can do. Such as going be on the parameters GUI ussually allows, other then that, GUI can do anything scripting can in a sense.

 

[Samael88]

If they have made a third person shooter then it just has to be possible to make an fps as well, I mean it has been done for wc3 so why not

 

[tom_mai78101]

I think people are forgetting that custom scripting is their to expand on the things GUI can do. Such as going be on the parameters GUI ussually allows, other then that, GUI can do anything scripting can in a sense.

I rest my case.

 

[Renendaru]

Yes, GUI can do most of what Jass, or vJass can do, but it will still leak, no matter what. GUI scripting will always leak, because of how they set it up. However, it's unknown how Galaxy's GUI will play out.

 

[tom_mai78101]

They did mentioned Galaxy has massively improved leak cleaning, but didn't mentioned if it's for GUI or codes. I'm hoping for the former.

 

[EpicFlux]

Well it's possible to fix leaks via GUI. Though yes, a good scripter can eliminate leaks.

 

[Renendaru]

Well it's possible to fix leaks via GUI. Though yes, a good scripter can eliminate leaks.

I know that's possible, but GUI has unavoidable leaks that cannot be fixed, unless you use v/Jass...

 

[Daskunk]

@tom_mai78101: Yes, SC2's GUI is going to have garbage collection, so you don't have to worry about any leaks in GUI, unlike WC3.

 

[Sevion]

I'm confident someone will find leaks...

 

[tom_mai78101]

I'm confident someone will find leaks...

You brought up a good point there...

 

[Daskunk]

I'm confident someone will find leaks...

Yeah, me too.. I just think its more likely that blizzard will fix their garbage collection often enough that leaks wont be a problem in GUI. (In their usual, slow fashion)

 

[Viikuna]

Even if GUI had all fucntions and thingies from Galaxy, it would still be inferior, because typing pwns clicking..

 

[Doomhammer]

what's the point in making a FPS with an RTS game engine?

 

[Darthfett]

what's the point in making a FPS with an RTS game engine?

The fact that the engine's already there for you, millions of people can play the map easily, simply by downloading the (relatively small in file size) map, the engine is very flexible, etc.

I personally think you're right about some points: it's never going to be as fast or clean/beautiful as a native-ly coded engine, but it is going to save tons of time to not have to create all the textures, models, physics, sound, etc. that you would have to create if you were to create the game from scratch. Think about it: everything is already there for you.

 

[Doomhammer]

Think about it: everything is already there for you.

Which may be one of the reasons why Blizz claims such a large portion of the premium share (70%, isn't it?).