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From that BBC link.That the new laws only protect women from rape and sexual assault and not men and transgender people is a major failure.
I think this "animals are smart"-talk is misleading. a dolphin is smart compared to a rock or an apple, but compared to a person...? nah.
Besides people, they appear to have one, if not the, most advanced forms of vocal communication ever observed. This, apparently, is at least borderline language, and the concept of organized and vocalized language is by far the most advanced thing humanity has ever accomplished. Language is the absolute underlying basis for every technology our species has been capable of inventing. In the event that a dolphin is capable of even a basic form of language with other dolphins, then they are about as intelligent as people; they just haven't taken it as far yet.
How can you even compare the most basic, inane form of communication with human communication?
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's rubbish.
No, there is just you ignoring the clear intelligence of cetaceans and using shitty and irrelevant similes in an attempt to poorly enforce the kind of argument that I would only have excepted from Cheshire. Though... you are the next best competition for the position of Cheshire, so it does kind of make sense. Humans are not the only beings capable of intelligence on this planet; to ignore that there is an entire, largely unexplored world under water that is just as likely to have a dominantly intelligent species as the surface is just fucking ignorance and stupidity. Where do you think humanity came from? Water based animals have been around far, far longer than intelligent humanity, or even surface dwelling mammals, came to into the most basic of existence. They have had a hell of a lot more time to evolve. I am not the one ignoring anything, with the possible exception of future responses from you.
Same difference - if you can't understand it, how can you say that it's not more advanced? It's not likely that we can rank their intelligence or communicative ability on a human scale, which is why they're being granted "non-human" personhood. The logic behind it is that they're intelligent enough to be considered deserving of rights.I never said it was rubbish, I said it was nowhere near as advanced as human communication. you have no proof whatsoever to suggest that dolphins are about as smart as humans.
Same difference - if you can't understand it, how can you say that it's not more advanced? It's not likely that we can rank their intelligence or communicative ability on a human scale, which is why they're being granted "non-human" personhood. The logic behind it is that they're intelligent enough to be considered deserving of rights.
Also I never claimed that dolphins were as smart as humans. That's an assumption on your part.
Dolphins are almost as clever as humans - so treat them like people, say scientists
Dolphins are so intelligent they should be given the same status as humans, scientists are recommending. The aquatic mammals are the world's second brightest creatures after humans - leapfrogging chimpanzees who have been pushed down to third in the cleverness stakes. Experts say it is now time for dolphins to be treated as 'non-human persons' after research showed their brains have many features associated with high intelligence.
They claim it is cruel to keep such intelligent animals in amusement parks, or to kill them for food or by accident when fishing. Some 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in this way every year. A study carried out by Lori Marino, a zoologist at Emory University in Atlanta, used MRI scans to map the brains of dolphin species and compare them to primates.
She said: 'Many dolphin brains are larger than our own and second in mass only to the human brain when corrected for body size.'The neuroanatomy suggests psychological continuity between humans and dolphins and has profound implications for the ethics of human-dolphin interactions.'
Professor Marino found that the cerebral cortex and the neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that 'the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain'.
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Study: Dolphins can problem solve like humans
A dog may be man's best friend, but dolphins can imitate human actions, and even how they solve problems.When a dolphin has one of its senses blocked, it can use other senses to mimic a human's movements, according to a recent study.
A bottlenose dolphin named Tanner was blindfolded and instructed to mimic the actions of a trainer in the water with him. When Tanner wasn't able to use sight to figure out the movement, he switched to another technique: emit sounds, listen to the echo and interpret the resulting sound waves. This ability _ known as echolocation _ allowed Tanner to replicate movements by the trainer, such as spinning in the water
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And Zakyath, the reason you're getting so much grief over this is because of your original post - sure, they aren't as smart as people... if they were, they'd continue acting smarter and more effectively with each generation due to the passing of knowledge, which may happen to a limited extent but obviously not in a major way. But to compare them next to rocks or apples, something that doesn't even possess a brain? That's entirely unfair. There's enough evidence of their intelligence to consider them the second smartest creature on the planet. Why do you want to take that from them?