Dota

[Sargon]

ok then try this out

you et the other guy see your army in a ladder game and now he knows how to anti your army and win.

Doesn't really have anything to do with what Ryoko was saying.

 

[Im_On_56k]

get a black king bar with treads sange and yasha loahars and dagger of espae
just wind walk when close attack then blink with daggerand reapeat and you got it.

Your joking right? You wouldn't beable to buy all of that in one game, only way you would beable to if your like 10-0.

And all your other item combo stuff won't work.

 

[U are a noob]

i posted a new post because i thought it wouuld go off page.

If someone made this template into a finished map they would've done more than IceFrog. As for DOTA being good..... There are hundreds of AoS' out there all on about the same or even a better level than DotA and yet everyone stills plays DotA. Thats why everyone hates it (especially those who have made AoS' that havent got anywhere).

i have play many maps and havnt really seen anything better then dota.

Heres a response to the "Heros are balanced." Balanced with items? That is time consuming, not to mention that the other, better heros will be owning you while you try to acquire said balancing items. Might I mention those same heroes will beef themselves up to nerf your balancing items?

My skill level is irrevelant as to my opinion. Yes, a skilled player can probably take any hero and make him good. An even less skilled player can probably take a good hero and make him better than the skilled player with the average hero. Haven't you ever played AP? Try taking notes on which heroes show up the most...

no hero can be blannced with items come ladder game you give him 1 mask ice orb and 4 crowns yyou win.

make sure u try AP with fully good people though
most pubbies pick the easiest hero not always the best

i dont ever pick AP becuase AP is for noobs who only play with one owning playing style and proably never have fun.
y not trying to play ar?
i think the only super keep combetnation of items on a hero is zues or holy kinght with refresher orb. becuase they can stay home and just keep casting.

Your joking right? You wouldn't beable to buy all of that in one game, only way you would beable to if your like 10-0.

And all your other item combo stuff won't work.

joink how i once went 27-0 with necroall you need is a chicken to keep getting you items and play it safe. then get allies to set up a gank whats so hard with that?

and how do my other combos not work?

Doesn't really have anything to do with what Ryoko was saying.

acutawlly it does not being seen ispart of the game concept like in a TD you build towers to win. ladder keep units alive and get the right units. so it does make sence

 

[Sargon]

acutawlly it does not being seen ispart of the game concept like in a TD you build towers to win. ladder keep units alive and get the right units. so it does make sence

Not at all. You're taking him too literally. What he meant is that it sucks when you know that if one guy happens to meet up with you, you'll lose no matter what.

 

[sqrage]

pointless arguing, people who hate it will hate is and people who like it will like it, and it will remain that way.

Just as it said in the beggining..

Just so you know, this can go nowhere but down.

 

[U are a noob]

Not at all. You're taking him too literally. What he meant is that it sucks when you know that if one guy happens to meet up with you, you'll lose no matter what.

ok i meet up with another guys army in ladder and its better i know i am dead.

 

[Sargon]

OK, let me give you an analogy for you: Imagine that you're playing a ladder game in which you're playing human, and the game doesn't let you build a keep. So you're out there with your footmen, and you run into an army of Tauren. That's what Ryoko was saying it was like.

 

[U are a noob]

OK, let me give you an analogy for you: Imagine that you're playing a ladder game in which you're playing human, and the game doesn't let you build a keep. So you're out there with your footmen, and you run into an army of Tauren. That's what Ryoko was saying it was like.

no keep right meaning i can get riffle men? all you do is get out you mountain king go foward tunder calp let riffles shot and just micro allot all it should not be a problem?

ok now tell me how you allow enemys to get so strong could it have been your fault?

 

[Sargon]

no keep right meaning i can get riffle men? all you do is get out you mountain king go foward tunder calp let riffles shot and just micro allot all it should not be a problem?

ok now tell me how you allow enemys to get so strong could it have been your fault?

Dude. No keep ALLOWED. No upgrades past tier 1 ALLOWED. You CAN'T get strong enough to beat him, no matter what you do. 12 Tauren with full upgrades will win against 12 low-upgrade riflemen. Without a keep, you can't even get Long Rifles, for God's sake. I'm assuming equal levels of microing proficiency, by the way.

Hell, forget about the Tauren. Say it's 12 of some other fully-upgraded Tier 3 unit. In any rate, what I'm trying to say is that sometimes, it gets so that you cannot win, period. That sucks.

 

[U are a noob]

Dude. No keep ALLOWED. No upgrades past tier 1 ALLOWED. You CAN'T get strong enough to beat him, no matter what you do. 12 Tauren with full upgrades will win against 12 low-upgrade riflemen. Without a keep, you can't even get Long Rifles, for God's sake. I'm assuming equal levels of microing proficiency, by the way.

Hell, forget about the Tauren. Say it's 12 of some other fully-upgraded Tier 3 unit. In any rate, what I'm trying to say is that sometimes, it gets so that you cannot win, period. That sucks.

remeber taurens cost alot of food so if you built to max food riffles will out number
oh of cosre y would you want to play a game where you get owned like crazy.
if blizzard didnt try to get ridded of the point where you lose then why would dota?
so you trying to say dota is unblanced?or is ryoko?

 

[Sargon]

remeber taurens cost alot of food so if you built to max food riffles will out number
oh of cosre y would you want to play a game where you get owned like crazy.
if blizzard didnt try to get ridded of the point where you lose then why would dota?

I think you're missing the point. I'm saying that sometimes, DotA gets to the point where you are against a hero who is IMPOSSIBLE for you to beat. That's all I'm trying to say. Nitpicking the minutae of my analogies just makes you look like an idiot.

 

[DM Cross]

remeber taurens cost alot of food so if you built to max food riffles will out number
oh of cosre y would you want to play a game where you get owned like crazy.
if blizzard didnt try to get ridded of the point where you lose then why would dota?

You're now trying to compare DotA to Blizzard? Wow, that's the worst comparison I've ever seen. Sure, Blizzard isn't 100% fair, but you'll probably never find someone/organization that is. DotA, on the other hand, was not put together by professionals who get paid to do their job, and go through masses upon masses of versions/testing/patches to fix the problems found.

For the "owned like crazy comment": I think that was Sargon's point. WHY would you want to put yourself in that position? Why pick that hero with the other hero, who will own you every time? You just supported HIS argument!

Tier 3 upgraded Tauren can take down a good few crappy Tier 1 Riflemen before they get ONE down... So... Bad argument.

Edit to your Edit:

Ryoko or DotA is unbalanced?

All of the above

 

[SD_Ryoko]

get a black king bar with treads sange and yasha loahars and dagger of espae
just wind walk when close attack then blink with daggerand reapeat and you got it.

Fuck all that. This item, that item, get this.

Put NAKED necro vs NAKED naix. Naix avatars. GG Necro.

Put NAKED necro vs NAKED Spirit. GG Necro.

Heres my official stance on balance.

THE MINUTE I HAVE TO ANYTHING SPECIAL, ANYTHING AT ALL TO COUNTER A HERO, THAT I DONT HAVE TO DO WITH OTHER HEROES, HE IS IMBA.

 

[DM Cross]

However, mostly, there's only two opinions on DotA:
- It totally sucks
- It's the greatest ever.

There doesn't seem to be a middle...

Just saw this and had to comment:

I am that middle in the fact of: I just don't care

See, if the game is fun, and you can win and lose, then... Have fun playing it!

If you don't like it, don't play it. Who cares if someone else does? I do a lot of things (like existing! ) that you people don't like, but ya don't complain [to my face] about it

Eh... My two cents... Damn, I'm gonna go broke if I keep giving out two cents -.-

 

[U are a noob]

You're now trying to compare DotA to Blizzard? Wow, that's the worst comparison I've ever seen. Sure, Blizzard isn't 100% fair, but you'll probably never find someone/organization that is. DotA, on the other hand, was not put together by professionals who get paid to do their job, and go through masses upon masses of versions/testing/patches to fix the problems found.

For the "owned like crazy comment": I think that was Sargon's point. WHY would you want to put yourself in that position? Why pick that hero with the other hero, who will own you every time? You just supported HIS argument!

Tier 3 upgraded Tauren can take down a good few crappy Tier 1 Riflemen before they get ONE down... So... Bad argument.

Edit to your Edit:

Ryoko or DotA is unbalanced?

All of the above

of corse y not compard blizzard to dota.hey did blizzard make all those really fun maps we play now in custom? no i think it was the players and people who are on this forum? i bet 50% of bnet players play custom gamees only that were not made by blizzard so y not compare?

of corse blizzard set the standards but aent we suppose to try to make better?

 

[DM Cross]

of corse y not compard blizzard to dota

Because Blizzard is a company of successful game-makers, and DotA is a clan of teenage kids who play said company's game. Very very different groups of people right there.

hey did blizzard make all those really fun maps we play now in custom? no i think it was the players and people who are on this forum?

First off, lose the attitude. I never said Blizzard was better then the players, which it seems, to me, that you assume I meant that.

I didn't.

Second off, what's this got to do with anything? The DotA creators didn't make "all those really fun maps we play now in custom" either!

i bet 50% of bnet players play custom gamees only that were not made by blizzard so y not compare?

So, you just said the games that people make are different then the games that blizzard makes, so they're open to comparison?

... WHAT?! That's supporting my argument, that's reason for you NOT to compare then: They're too different.

of corse blizzard set the standards but aent we suppose to try to make better?

Set the standards in what? Balance? Balance comes in all different shapes, sizes and smells. Balance in one game may not be balance in another. In WC's melee games, sorcerers and naturally incredibly weak, and probably can't take out anything other then another sorcerer character, in face to face combat, right? (And I don't mean Heroes, I mean Priests, Shamen, etc. etc.)

Now, if you apply that SAME RULE, that magic users need, and cannot survive without a melee force in front of them to an RPG game, well, no one would want to play a sorcerer because they'd always die...

So you have to make the sorcerer a bit physically stronger to re-balance everything.

Get it?

 

[U are a noob]

Fuck all that. This item, that item, get this.

Put NAKED necro vs NAKED naix. Naix avatars. GG Necro.

Put NAKED necro vs NAKED Spirit. GG Necro.

Heres my official stance on balance.

THE MINUTE I HAVE TO ANYTHING SPECIAL, ANYTHING AT ALL TO COUNTER A HERO, THAT I DONT HAVE TO DO WITH OTHER HEROES, HE IS IMBA.

WOW of corse its gonna be like that. What about in rpg people who use magic char bet warrior(coimg from WoW).

 

[DM Cross]

What you just said isn't what Ryoko named unfair.

That's a TYPE of hero that's good against a TYPE of hero.

Ryoko, to my knowledge, is talking about a SPECIFIC hero, with abilities to target a SPECIFIC hero.

Like if the Arch Mage had a spell called Stone To Mud that turned the Mountain King (who is a Dwarf, and as Legend tells us, was crafted from stone, like all Dwarves) into a Mountain Puddle. The move, however, can only affect Dwarves. THAT, my friend, is imbalanced, and THAT, my friend, is what Ryoko was talking about.

 

[Sargon]

I think that Ryoko was also refering primarily to items, not abilities.

 

[DM Cross]

Oh, well... That, too. Items hold abilities, don't they?

Naw, that was just a corny way to make me seem right. Well, I'm not WRONG, but if the topic was items, not hero abilities, then I'm talking about the wrong topic...

Anyway, the same thing DOES apply for items. Items may have certain effects on certain TYPES of heroes (like maybe some Demon Hunter tool that affects ALL demonic heroes) but to have an item target one specific hero is, of course, unbalanced.