Crime FBI wants widespread monitoring of 'illegal' Internet activity

sqrage

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WASHINGTON--The FBI on Wednesday called for new legislation that would allow federal police to monitor the Internet for "illegal activity."

The proposal from FBI Director Robert Mueller, which came during a House of Representatives Judiciary Committee hearing, appears to go beyond a current plan to monitor traffic on federal-government networks. Mueller seemed to suggest that the bureau should have a broad "omnibus" authority to conduct monitoring and surveillance of private-sector networks as well.

The surveillance should include all Internet traffic, Mueller said, "whether it be .mil, .gov, .com--whatever you're talking about."

In response to questions from Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican, Mueller said his proposed legislation "balances on one hand the privacy rights of people receiving information with...the necessity of having some omnibus search capability, utilizing filters that would identify illegal activity as it goes through, and allow us the ability to catch it at a choke point."

 
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dunpealx4

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does downloading copyright materials count as this "illegal activity"?
 

WastedSavior

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Is this an effort to target the source? or the receiver?
I've already seen movieforumz.com shut down.

"MovieForumz has been asked to record data on its users for the purpose of prosecution. Instead of complying, we have decided to protect our beloved users by closing our doors"
 

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They won't do shit.
This whole thing is bullshit, really. You're not going to stop file sharing, you're not going to solve "stealing", just give up. The "hackers" will always be better than you, there will always be a way around it...
 
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Highly doubt they will catch users dling illegal content, They are to lazy to go arrest everyone, or fine them.
 

esb

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It's pretty impossible to catch everyone who downloads illegal content. As you might get the location of the computer (ignoring they can use proxys), there are multiple people on the computer.

Unless they will only go after illegal porn, drug/weapon/slave trafficing and similar things, they might have a chance.
 

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Like others have stated, doubt that they would catch them all

Also, besides obviously "stealing" music, what else is considered illegal on the internet?
 

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Torrenting games, programs....
Do I have to go on?
 

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our right to privacy erodes underneath our noses....
that there is not huge public outry over this notion is alarming!
 

Prometheus

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If this gets passed.....it can't I don't believe.
Its "unconstitutional".
 

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wow guys
I believe you all dont understand this.
The FBI propably doesn't care if esb or sqrage download music illegal.
But maybe they care about child pornography?
Or check e-mail servers for communication of even harder crimes? (however I doubt they use normal e-mail servers for that :rolleyes: )
 

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wow guys
I believe you all dont understand this.

I don't think YOU understand that they don't have to use this new ability only for the things they say they will use it for.

Not only that, but every week in the news you see things like this; things where the government acquires more and more permission (from themselves) to spy on their people. Not only that, but this clearly goes against the constitution and will still most likely pass. In a few weeks, if this is passed, you'll be seeing that they want to/will get more lenient with what they search for with this newly acquired ability.

>>that there is not huge public outry over this notion is alarming!

This generation as a whole, in my opinion, is far too passive and wont do crap until the government is in their face and clearly oppressing them. Everyone is too gullible and puts way too much trust into the government. I'm not excluding myself from this, I'm also too lazy to give a damn, even though something like this can have a huge impact on me.
 

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http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9926803-38.html

This is becoming more of a worry. Robert Mueller is pushing legislation for more access to data retention, whatever they mean by that I don't know. But apparently it includes everything from instant messaging, to domains, and social networks, and keeping activities on all ISP's users nationally for up to two years. Mueller is also asking to force search engines to keep data as well.

I have no idea how to deal with law enforcement when they get too out of hand, who to contact that cares, but I'm thinking about stirring up an argument with these idiots over the phone.
 

esb

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The only thing we could do is um... probably help others throughout the internet know the effects this law could have. Sure, it can catch pedophiles, drug dealers, and a bunch of online illegal activity, but that is one step away from violating our privacy.
 

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I don't think YOU understand that they don't have to use this new ability only for the things they say they will use it for.

Not only that, but every week in the news you see things like this; things where the government acquires more and more permission (from themselves) to spy on their people. Not only that, but this clearly goes against the constitution and will still most likely pass. In a few weeks, if this is passed, you'll be seeing that they want to/will get more lenient with what they search for with this newly acquired ability.
k, mb this was overkill :p
But all the discussion about people worrying if they can still do illegal downloads... is shit.

I don't think YOU understand that they don't have to use this new ability only for the things they say they will use it for.
Oh well, maybe some FBI agents read 1-2 of your chatlogs. Maybe a bot scanns them. But you really think they abuse their power? In wich way?

imo this is all shit about the 'evil FBI'.
You ever heard of an abuse of that power that caused ANY damage? Well I didn't. And even if there were the evil FBI men lost their job in the split of a second.
 

sqrage

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>>But you really think they abuse their power? In wich way?


Just look at post #17, Robert Mueller is already trying to ask for more ways to spy on people via internet. I don't think it's right, but that's just me.
 
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