Homosexuality: A social decision or a physical instinct?

[nabbig2]

I'm not officially taking a side.

I do find it a bit disturbing that you can go to jail for getting married with another of the same sex (I'm assuming you can get sent to jail for it).

But then again-why should bestiality remain illegal in the US, if gay marriage shoud be legalized?
-I do not practice bestiality (But I do have many pets) or condone it either.
-I am not comparing homosexuals to animals. It's all about sexual freedom.

Homosexuals complain about not getting equal rights to express their love. But what about bestiality, what about pedophiles?

 

[CatCat]

I'm not officially taking a side.

I do find it a bit disturbing that you can go to jail for getting married with another of the same sex (I'm assuming you can get sent to jail for it).

But then again-why should bestiality remain illegal in the US, if gay marriage shoud be legalized?
-I do not practice bestiality (But I do have many pets) or condone it either.
-I am not comparing homosexuals to animals. It's all about sexual freedom.

Homosexuals complain about not getting equal rights to express their love. But what about bestiality, what about pedophiles?

Consent....
Children are usually children and therefore are not aloud to do a few things, for example: Drink, Drive, Marry,Vote , consent to sex.
This is because the government finds that children do not have the responsibility required to make responsible decisions a normal adult would, therefore protecting themselves and others in the process (Isn't this obvious?). What I mean is.... Since children are not aloud to give consent to sex. Having sex with one would immediately be considered rape or molestation (although this is not the case if you are of the same age group for obvious reasons).
Animals cannot give consent because they cannot speak. They also cannot vote nor can they express their opinions.
But we have animal activists that self righteously claim to be the voice of the animals.
Since we cannot prove that the animals do not favor the activists we must sit down and compromise with these people.
note that I say we must compromise with these people not with these animals.


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With that being said I guess one could conclude that incest is not wrong (under the conditions that both partners are able to give consent)
We can endlessly debate about how incest is wrong though

Phrases in bold are supposed to be obvious and I would have rather left them out.
P.S. when you said

-I do not practice bestiality (But I do have many pets)

I didn't know what to think

 

[Cornface]

But then again-why should bestiality remain illegal in the US, if gay marriage shoud be legalized?
-I do not practice bestiality (But I do have many pets) or condone it either.
-I am not comparing homosexuals to animals. It's all about sexual freedom.

Homosexuals complain about not getting equal rights to express their love. But what about bestiality, what about pedophiles?

What.
The.
Hell.

So we can shuffle in all type of sexualities to one? Why cant we do that to politics too, or crime?

IF Democracy is legal, why shouldn't nazism be?

Speeding is a crime! So is mass murder! Let us butcher all the criminals!

And most important, like CatCat said; pedophilism, then only one part is agreeing on it, same with beastiality. But with homosexuality, both part wants it.

 

[nabbig2]

What.
The.
Hell.

So we can shuffle in all type of sexualities to one? Why cant we do that to politics too, or crime?

IF Democracy is legal, why shouldn't nazism be?

Speeding is a crime! So is mass murder! Let us butcher all the criminals!

And most important, like CatCat said; pedophilism, then only one part is agreeing on it, same with beastiality. But with homosexuality, both part wants it.

Cornface, I do not understand how you twisted this into democracy and nazism-and also note that Democracy is a governmental system, while nazism is a racially discriminating belief.

- But with homosexuality, both part wants it

How can you possibly say this when there are minors willing to have sex with people over 18, as well as animals that are willing to have sex with human beings? I do realize that there are younger minors who have clearly been raped, but it's not always the case.


To CatCat:

I never said I condoned pedophilism-but also take note that somebody who has sex with a 17 year old is considered a sex offender, and believe me, people willingly and knowingly have sex at that age.

And as for animals-how do you know that they scorn have sexual interactions with humans? Properly carried out, it is not painful (all sorts of sexual relations can turn out abusive.) How can you possibly consider it incest if the animal does not resist it, and sometimes they enjoy doing it with humans?

 

[Cornface]

Cornface, I do not understand how you twisted this into democracy and nazism-and also note that Democracy is a governmental system, while nazism is a racially discriminating belief.

- But with homosexuality, both part wants it

How can you possibly say this when there are minors willing to have sex with people over 18, as well as animals that are willing to have sex with human beings? I do realize that there are younger minors who have clearly been raped, but it's not always the case.

Well, minors having sex with people over 18 law. I don't know how it is in your country, but as long as person X is over 15 and person Y is over 15, it is good to go. Doesn't matter if the female is 15 and the man is 49, just as long as both part agree with the sex. And these laws about minors not allowed having sex, is to protect them.

...And animals having sex with human being, how the hell can you know that?
Have a dog, a cat or a bird ever said to you; "Oi! nabbig2, wanna have sex?"
And this laws about beastiality, is to protect the animals, because you can almost never know if a cow wants to fuck you or not.

But the law about homosexuals not allowed to married is what? To forbid the homosexuals to love? No, that stupid law is out for all the homophobics out there for some stupid reason.

And for the democracy and nazism thing, yes it might been an bad example. But you did exactly the same with homosexuality, beastiality, and pedophilism.

 

[CatCat]

Do people actually read what I type or just pretend...

nabbig2,
First of all: Do you know what incest IS?
Second: Do you know what giving legal consent means?
Third: Do you realize you cannot give consent if you are under 18 (for some countries it's 16 or even less)

Just to make things CLEAR I'll give you an example.
2 Gay people are having sex together, they both admitted that they wanted to do so. But one is 18 and the other is under 15; Is this legal? and the answer is NO because minors are not able to give consent, and don't make me repeat that.

Like I said before you cannot truly tell what animals are thinking about
I am not going to talk to my cat expecting an answer, ok?

But if you want to debate about how the government is wrong for setting up rules like "consent", "drinking age", "voting age" I would suggest you join the anarchy club.

Just to clarify
I brought up the incest thing because it is illegal for people of direct family to have sex together (in some countries) Although they are both able to give legal consent. The question is: Is this justified?

 

[Seb!]

Cornface, I do not understand how you twisted this into democracy and nazism-and also note that Democracy is a governmental system, while nazism is a racially discriminating belief.

- But with homosexuality, both part wants it

How can you possibly say this when there are minors willing to have sex with people over 18, as well as animals that are willing to have sex with human beings? I do realize that there are younger minors who have clearly been raped, but it's not always the case.

To CatCat:

I never said I condoned pedophilism-but also take note that somebody who has sex with a 17 year old is considered a sex offender, and believe me, people willingly and knowingly have sex at that age.

And as for animals-how do you know that they scorn have sexual interactions with humans? Properly carried out, it is not painful (all sorts of sexual relations can turn out abusive.) How can you possibly consider it incest if the animal does not resist it, and sometimes they enjoy doing it with humans?

Nazi stands for National Socialist Party which is of course a government system. We remember them for their use of random demographics (Jews, etc.) as scapegoats for Germany's economic problems, but Nazis are national socialists. Most people know that.. whatever.

You have to understand that there is a difference between consent with two human adults and consent between two parties which the law considers unable to make such decisions. It's a pretty basic concept. Don't feel bad though, people still call that an acceptable argument.. somehow.

Yeah, you have no idea what incest means.. that's all right I guess.. this debate is depressing.

 

[nabbig2]

Do people actually read what I type or just pretend...

nabbig2,
First of all: Do you know what incest IS?
Second: Do you know what giving legal consent means?
Third: Do you realize you cannot give consent if you are under 18 (for some countries it's 16 or even less)

Just to make things CLEAR I'll give you an example.
2 Gay people are having sex together, they both admitted that they wanted to do so. But one is 18 and the other is under 15; Is this legal? and the answer is NO because minors are not able to give consent, and don't make me repeat that.

Like I said before you cannot truly tell what animals are thinking about
I am not going to talk to my cat expecting an answer, ok?

But if you want to debate about how the government is wrong for setting up rules like "consent", "drinking age", "voting age" I would suggest you join the anarchy club.

Just to clarify
I brought up the incest thing because it is illegal for people of direct family to have sex together (in some countries) Although they are both able to give legal consent. The question is: Is this justified?

Yes, I know what incest is. Seb!, that's an awfully uneducated assumption. Here is a definition of incest from Wikipedia: Incest refers to any sexual activity between closely related persons (often within the immediate family) that is illegal or a social taboo.

So as I said earlier, how can you call sex with an animal incest?

-Nazi stands for National Socialist Party which is of course a government system.

Wrong. A governmental party is not a government system.

-Is this legal? and the answer is NO because minors are not able to give consent, and don't make me repeat that.

So a 17 year old minor is not able to give consent to having sex. True under the law. But apparently, since it is the law, it must be what is right, huh? Interesting perspective.

And if you can't tell what animals are thinking, then how do you think they don't enjoy sex, or are even inadvertently affected by it?

And your comment about joining the anarchy club has showed me that you must be a blind follower of your government. It appears to me that simply because it is the law, it is just. In my opinion this is extremely foolish on your part.

I don't mean to offend Seb! and CatCat, but you two are consistently using the law as backup, as if the law is always blind and correct justice, which to me is very wrong.

Cornface:

"Well, minors having sex with people over 18 law. I don't know how it is in your country, but as long as person X is over 15 and person Y is over 15, it is good to go. Doesn't matter if the female is 15 and the man is 49, just as long as both part agree with the sex. And these laws about minors not allowed having sex, is to protect them."
-Well over here in the US, a minor means under 18. So my point is that if a 17 year old willingly has sex with somebody over 17, is it really a crime on behalf of the latter? Not in my opinion.

"...And animals having sex with human being, how the hell can you know that?
Have a dog, a cat or a bird ever said to you; "Oi! nabbig2, wanna have sex?"
And this laws about beastiality, is to protect the animals, because you can almost never know if a cow wants to fuck you or not."
-Can you show me an example where having sex with an animal has harmed it? Just because an animal does not speak and say it wants sex does not mean that it doesn't want sex. In fact, I know of some animals (For example rabbits) that have purposefully engaged in sexual behavior with humans. It's people's decisions about their sexuality. Obviously it can turn harmful if misused, but that is the case for all sexual relations.

"But the law about homosexuals not allowed to married is what? To forbid the homosexuals to love? No, that stupid law is out for all the homophobics out there for some stupid reason. "
-Show me one time that I said that I wanted gay marriage to illegal. I never said such a thing.

And for the democracy and nazism thing, yes it might been an bad example. But you did exactly the same with homosexuality, beastiality, and pedophilism.

 

[Cornface]

-Show me one time that I said that I wanted gay marriage to illegal. I never said such a thing.

But if you want gay marriage to be legal, you want pedophilism and beastiality to be legal? Is that what you have been trying to say all the time?

 

[nabbig2]

But if you want gay marriage to be legal, you want pedophilism and beastiality to be legal? Is that what you have been trying to say all the time?

No, it's not what I have been trying to say. I have been trying to say that gay marriage is not the only form of "abnormal" sexuality that deserves to be given thought about legalization. I can't exactly say I want pedophilism to be legal, because that is the sexual attraction to children-but the legal age is up to the law, which determines who is a pedophile, and I think that this legal age needs to be at least changed lowerd. a 15 year old, for example, is perfectly capable fo wanting and having sex.

I do beleive that bestiality should be legal, however.
Why is it anybody elses business what somebody chooses to do with an animal? It's their sexual desires and it does not hurt an animal any more than playing with a pet as pet owners do. Oh, wait-we can shoot them and raise them in miserable conditions in slaughterhouses-but we can't have sex with them. Is that really fair? Just some food for thought.

 

[CatCat]

You asked why bestiality and pedophilia is wrong.

we gave you the answers. Then you kept going; therefore I suggested you take this somewhere else because it does not belong in this thread.

you're absolutely right nabbig2, you cannot tell whether animals are thinking, isn't that what I said? I only said that you cannot tell what they are thinking, I never gave my opinion.

I never implied that that the law enforcing people to have sex above a certain age was a good one, I merely informed you. You on the other hand claimed that I thought it was a bad one, please stop doing this.

Look, there are numerous reasons why bestiality and pedophilia is DIFFERENT from homosexuality. if you want to debate about how you want this to change go make your own thread. Stop provoking others and make it seem they are attacking you. In the end you will be your own worst enemy.

 

[nabbig2]

You asked why bestiality and pedophilia is wrong.

we gave you the answers. Then you kept going; therefore I suggested you take this somewhere else because it does not belong in this thread.

you're absolutely right nabbig2, you cannot tell whether animals are thinking, isn't that what I said? I only said that you cannot tell what they are thinking, I never gave my opinion.

I never implied that that the law enforcing people to have sex above a certain age was a good one, I merely informed you. You on the other hand claimed that I thought it was a bad one, please stop doing this.

Look, there are numerous reasons why bestiality and pedophilia is DIFFERENT from homosexuality. if you want to debate about how you want this to change go make your own thread. Stop provoking others and make it seem they are attacking you. In the end you will be your own worst enemy.

Wow, it seems like you are the one taking an aggressive stance. I never provoked anybody. In fact, you are the very person who replied to my first post-how hypocritical of you to tell me to leave this thread, when you are the one who started this debate with me. It seems like you are trying to avoid me-all I am doing is having a decent debate in this thread.

Also, I never said that you stated that law enforcing people to have sex above a certain age was a good just, I was only saying that the law can not be used as an argument that something is just. I understand that this has gone off topic, but you really need to calm down and look this rationally. I am not provoking anybody, I am only debating. You are the one who was very provocative with your post. Don't tell me to go to another thread if you are the one who started an argument.

 

[CatCat]

ok

 

[Cornface]

Enough, it is clearly time for all of us to go and watch Samwell.

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[nabbig2]

Lol.

Anyway if you guys are done then, for my sake, I consider winning the argument.

Nice debating with you two :shades:

 

[CatCat]

bye

 

[nabbig2]

Ya, see you around CatCat.

 

[Cornface]

Exactly. nabbig2s argument win, and thus beastiality should be allowed.

I am curious nabbig2, do you have any pets?

 

[nabbig2]

Exactly. nabbig2s argument win, and thus beastiality should be allowed.

I am curious nabbig2, do you have any pets?

Yep, I have a corn snake and three fish. Also, thankyou for your acknowledgement and sportsmanship.

 

[Cornface]

Yep, I have a corn snake and three fish. Also, thankyou for your acknowledgement and sportsmanship.

Okey, what would you say if one day you got home after school I was in your snakes terrarium and having sex with it?