Book Discussion Is Twilight Bad?

KillerChi

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I remember back when it was begining to surge in popularity, it was spotlighted in Borders(This was during the Summer, mind you) after reading the description on the back, I (I'm dead serious) almost threw it how disgusted I was. It was something like "Have you ever had to kill someone you loved?" I instantly knew it was some stupid corny romance novel with a generic cover and name. It's a woman's porn. If they ever made a woman's porn site, it would be a Twilight site.
 

Renendaru

(Evol)ution is nothing without love.
Personally I hate the book. It's way too similar to an old book, 7 years older than this, that I've read before. Couldn't get halfway through first book.
 

ElderKingpin

Post in the anime section, or die.
i wouldnt be surprised if everyone on this site hated/disliked it. Its more of a girl novel IMO. Just because you have werewolves and vampires doesnt mean its any less of a romance novel.
 

DogOfHavoc

Future Tragedy
There's nothing inherently wrong with romance stories. Romeo and Juliet is brilliant, and I've been know to enjoy the occasional romantic comedy. XD
 
I agree with elderking thats its more a girl thing...It ends up being a romance novel between a girl , vampires, and werewolves. Only girls I see went completely nuts about it :)
 

DM Cross

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That is not a relevant argument.
In a way, yes it is. A romance is not necessarily a good story, a GOOD romance is a good story. With any other genre, Romance can be good or bad, depending on the quality of how it's written.

People can say that Twilight is a bad romance, but it makes less sense to say that it's bad BECAUSE it is a romance. Of course, both statements are valid opinions of those speaking them.
 

Ignitedstar

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You know, I'm really glad that I read Twilight just before it came to it's current popularity. It has a lot of interesting things in it. I have to put some grounds, first, though. I'm a sucker for romance. Love is a good thing. Of course, too much of a good thing is bad. Everything in moderation.

Anyhow, I can think of three primary reasons why a lot of people seem to utterly hate Twilight. One, it makes Vampires "wimpy" and "unvampire like". They say that Vampires should should burn under sunlight. It's because Stephanie Meyer didn't have this in there that intrigued me. After all, Edward Cullen has a point. "Hollywood gets things wrong." It was a good laugh for me. The implications of that sentence that Meyer used made me wonder, "It's interesting how Hollywood is slowly becoming THE new, modern lore."

There are so many equivocal fallacies to people's argument against vampires that I have really have to question the motive behind it. It is equal to the hearing a white supremacist boy shouting "KKK all the way!" People are always twisting mythology and modern lore- which is a complete oxymoron. It's so strange how no one cares when anyone else does it, but sudden and so out of the blue, Meyer has to duck for cover. What EXACTLY are you trying to protect, people? Most of them, probably nothing.

The second reason why people hate Twilight because it's a "poor example of a written romance". How so? It's so similar to Romeo and Juliet. They love each other so much, then one of them goes away- in this case, Romeo. Juliet is heartbroken, kills herself, then Romeo hears of the news, then he kills himself. Er... What's so different, again? I'm glad that Stephanie Meyer is so popular. She is a good, prime example of how just about anyone can write a good book, and another example of how just about anyone can get published, and a third example of how just about anyone can become a popular writer. She very smart for hitting the demographic she did. She also stands for another reason, we must define the word 'good' and it makes people question just what exactly is happening to the literary world. When you think about it, almost anyone can get published, today. Centuries ago, getting published was a privilege. Obviously, times are changing and it's something people have got to get used to or fight to get it back to normal. Case in point, publishing is a business, and businesses are meant for profit.

I used to admire Stephen King because he was so successful, but after he complained about Twilight, my respect for him shattered into millions of pieces. My god, if anyone was fueling the fire to flame Stephanie Meyer, it was him above anyone else because of how well known he is. What bothers me even more is that he didn't just keep his feelings to himself. He went to the press and said it. Who the hell who doesn't want publicity and glory does that? I got shot down back to earth. Good bye, hall of fame. Hello, hall of shame. Stephan King's just another person who's trying to make money.

The third reason why Twilight is shunned is because it displays an insanely negative image on teenage girls. I can understand the concern, but since when did Stephanie ever write Twilight just because she wanted to brainwash adolescent girls into the beautiful boyfriend and nobody girlfriend fad? Probably never. This is exactly like the over analysis of some images of advertising. You don't know it until you hear people saying these things:

"That person is 1.2 centimeters below her in the picture! This means that it's showing that we'll be minorities and there'll be inequality forever!"

"Because the person on the left doesn't follow the two-third's clause, they were purposefully made to be a minority in the advertisement."

"The group shot is unethical and sexist against men, because the guy's legs are behind the woman's."

By the way, I remember for somewhere that someone said something like, "Yeah, I did start it. Go ahead and follow everyone else. But don't blame me if you all do something stupid."

A majority of the people who hate Twilight are simply jealous and they're wasting their energy attaching morals to their jealousy. Stephen King, included.
 

ElderKingpin

Post in the anime section, or die.
You know, I'm really glad that I read Twilight just before it came to it's current popularity. It has a lot of interesting things in it. I have to put some grounds, first, though. I'm a sucker for romance. Love is a good thing. Of course, too much of a good thing is bad. Everything in moderation.

Anyhow, I can think of three primary reasons why a lot of people seem to utterly hate Twilight. One, it makes Vampires "wimpy" and "unvampire like". They say that Vampires should should burn under sunlight. It's because Stephanie Meyer didn't have this in there that intrigued me. After all, Edward Cullen has a point. "Hollywood gets things wrong." It was a good laugh for me. The implications of that sentence that Meyer used made me wonder, "It's interesting how Hollywood is slowly becoming THE new, modern lore."

There are so many equivocal fallacies to people's argument against vampires that I have really have to question the motive behind it. It is equal to the hearing a white supremacist boy shouting "KKK all the way!" People are always twisting mythology and modern lore- which is a complete oxymoron. It's so strange how no one cares when anyone else does it, but sudden and so out of the blue, Meyer has to duck for cover. What EXACTLY are you trying to protect, people? Most of them, probably nothing.

The second reason why people hate Twilight because it's a "poor example of a written romance". How so? It's so similar to Romeo and Juliet. They love each other so much, then one of them goes away- in this case, Romeo. Juliet is heartbroken, kills herself, then Romeo hears of the news, then he kills himself. Er... What's so different, again? I'm glad that Stephanie Meyer is so popular. She is a good, prime example of how just about anyone can write a good book, and another example of how just about anyone can get published, and a third example of how just about anyone can become a popular writer. She very smart for hitting the demographic she did. She also stands for another reason, we must define the word 'good' and it makes people question just what exactly is happening to the literary world. When you think about it, almost anyone can get published, today. Centuries ago, getting published was a privilege. Obviously, times are changing and it's something people have got to get used to or fight to get it back to normal. Case in point, publishing is a business, and businesses are meant for profit.

I used to admire Stephen King because he was so successful, but after he complained about Twilight, my respect for him shattered into millions of pieces. My god, if anyone was fueling the fire to flame Stephanie Meyer, it was him above anyone else because of how well known he is. What bothers me even more is that he didn't just keep his feelings to himself. He went to the press and said it. Who the hell who doesn't want publicity and glory does that? I got shot down back to earth. Good bye, hall of fame. Hello, hall of shame. Stephan King's just another person who's trying to make money.

The third reason why Twilight is shunned is because it displays an insanely negative image on teenage girls. I can understand the concern, but since when did Stephanie ever write Twilight just because she wanted to brainwash adolescent girls into the beautiful boyfriend and nobody girlfriend fad? Probably never. This is exactly like the over analysis of some images of advertising. You don't know it until you hear people saying these things:

"That person is 1.2 centimeters below her in the picture! This means that it's showing that we'll be minorities and there'll be inequality forever!"

"Because the person on the left doesn't follow the two-third's clause, they were purposefully made to be a minority in the advertisement."

"The group shot is unethical and sexist against men, because the guy's legs are behind the woman's."

By the way, I remember for somewhere that someone said something like, "Yeah, I did start it. Go ahead and follow everyone else. But don't blame me if you all do something stupid."

A majority of the people who hate Twilight are simply jealous and they're wasting their energy attaching morals to their jealousy. Stephen King, included.
I hate Twilight, and im not jealous, nor am i trying to attach morals to it.

And personally, i just dont like the book genre, or the attention it has gotten compared to other books, which in my opinion are better. Its a matter of opinion, putting people into categories when it comes to books just doesnt work.
 

Ignitedstar

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You do realize that I said most, right? I'm not that much of an idiot to generalize everything that comes into my mind. And I find your opinion skeptical when the only thing you replied to out of my entire argument was the very end.
 

thewrongvine

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You do realize that I said most, right? I'm not that much of an idiot to generalize everything that comes into my mind. And I find your opinion skeptical when the only thing you replied to out of my entire argument was the very end.
Isn't that what matters most? :p
Doesn't matter how a guy shoots a gun, what matters is if the bullet is in the head, heh.
Twilight... I should read those books and watch the movies some day. When I'm out of school.

~Hai-Bye-Vine~
 

Ignitedstar

New Member
Hey, I like that analogy, no sarcasm intended. Unfortunately, I'm not trying to kill anybody here. With that emoticon there, however, I'm confused whether I should take you seriously.

I don't intend to watch the rest of the movies, because it doesn't capture what Twilight should be in writing. Plus, some parts aren't done very well. A few portions of the novel were way better when I envisioned them in my head than having people do it for me. It really irked me. I do plan on reading all of the novels, though.

I would argue that the end isn't what matters the most, but I'm too tired right now and don't really have the time to write another page or two explaining that. That, and this isn't the right place for it, anyhow.
 

punwisp

New Member
Few of my friends (Females) Are obsessed with the books, sometimes when I talked to them, they would repeat lines or scenes..

So I was at the school library and thought "What the hell, might as well try it"

What the hell? theres like 1100 PAGES! I went through the first 300, and decided to get a different book, this is a girly book, this didn't keep me interested, i switched this one out with another Demonata book. i liked it better.

I didn't like the first Twilight movie, but the second one I didn't think was that bad, I actually thought it was good.

I guess each its own


EDIT: On a side note, I'm tired of people grabbing random skinny "Hot" guys and putting them in these, and overexaggerating. Edward kind of thing seems to be one of those "Emo perfects". But I wish they would stop grabbing people like the person who plays him... Retarded
 

Lyerae

I keep popping up on this site from time to time.
> Twilight... I should read those books and watch the movies some day. When I'm out of school.

The movies are... Bad. Don't bother watching them.
The books though, those are good. I just bought the first one yesterday, after having gotten it from the library half-dozen times.
 

thewrongvine

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> Twilight... I should read those books and watch the movies some day. When I'm out of school.

The movies are... Bad. Don't bother watching them.
The books though, those are good. I just bought the first one yesterday, after having gotten it from the library half-dozen times.
Well I need to see some bad movies, too, so I know what to stay away from when working on mine, lulz.

~Hai-Bye-Vine~
 
I enojoyed them but I have a suggestion, if you liked it minus the sparkling vampire's, Try Vampire diaries. Its a similar Romance but with more.....Normal vampires :)
 
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