Map test - Creepy Ruins - Request for Comments

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After the great success of my previous map test thread...

Seriously though, given the extremely low noise to content ratio of this forum,
here is simply the perfect place for
actually getting comments, not garbage.

Thanks a lot, you total strangers out there.
This forum wouldn't be what it is without you.
(Seems rather logical, doesn't it :))


On to the real stuff:


Creepy Ruins (for lack of a better name, I guess)

Multiplayer (up to 6, works in single too) melee map.


For the times when you are tired of seeing yet another Night Elf vs Orcs, or similar, settings.

You can choose between a couple of Creeps for your Race!

Furbolgs, Trolls, ... Gnolls vs Prawns :)

Then you build up your army and go kill the other(s) (business as usual)

The ususal melee rules apply (I hope).


Hm... what more is there to say?
I don't know :)


There's probably a couple balance, or other, issues here;
but, frankly, I'm simply not seeing them anymore.

All races work the "same way", sort of.
So, once you know one, you should easily be able to switch.


All comments, as always, welcome.



Q: Why aren't there any Spiders? I like Spiders
A: Me too, but there's a choice to make, I made that one.

Q: This upgrade doesn't seem to work!
A: Great! Report it here.

Q: Furbolgs are too strong!
Q: Prawns are too strong!
Q: ... are too weak!
A: Well :). More details please

Q: I played a couple "Creep" maps and they all s...
A: Sure.

Q: Why the comps are normal Races?
A: Because it works as is. Play with some people.

Q: Six players ain't enough!
A: Hm... yes, maybe. I'll see.

Q: This map looks familiar!
A: Good. Finally someone to notice.

Q: The "shop" doesn't fit the Race.
A1: There is no Naga Shop. This building, at least, has a nice under-construction animation and you don't see it often.
A2: Shops are different, by nature.

Q: There's not enough Items to choose from.
A: Propose some.

Q: The techtree isn't 42 levels deep, like I expected.
A: Indeed. And who would remember that one? Or even want to play it?

Q: It's difficult to see what's a player and what's a Creep.
A: Is it? Hm..., I guess I could replace the default Creeps with standard race units.

Q: How comes there isn't...? or Why isn't there...?
A1: Never thought about it.
A2: I did think about it.

Q: All Heroes are the same!
A1: Yep. "Heroic Prawn" does sound a bit strange, doesn't it :)
A2: The point of the map are the units.
A3: Think up a couple good race specific Heroes...

Q: I just clicked on a unit and my race was already chosen... :(
A: Yes, works as per the specs. There's some help information (not too detailed) lower right.

Q: If all players ally with each other, they all win!
A: Seems normal to me...

Q: There's no kick vote system!
A: I know.

Q: Will you ever stop making maps?
A: This one ain't that bad :)



Hope to read you soon


Yours
AceHart
 
:O doh

dooh actually i was going to try ur map now ;) but i dont have tft but hopefully i will get it tomorow hoooorai XD
 
I see that you modified the standard units of the Naga race by using triggers in order to make a new race, without creating new, custom units. This, in my opinion, is a flagrant mistake.
 
Hm... in what sense? Could you elaborate this further?


The "Spawning Grounds", for example, can train all spawning grounds units of all races.
The triggers simply remove those that aren't of your race.

It's to avoid having to copy over every structure several times,
for tiny changes.


Yours
AceHart
 
Originally posted by AceHart
Hm... in what sense? Could you elaborate this further?


The "Spawning Grounds", for example, can train all spawning grounds units of all races.
The triggers simply remove those that aren't of your race.

It's to avoid having to copy over every structure several times,
for tiny changes.


Yours
AceHart
Click to expand...

"Tiny" changes? Many options, including the "Sound - Unit Sound Set" and "Art - Model File", can change the custom unit very significantly.

Also, custom units take a lot less space than tens of triggers.
 
*raises index finger* IIII... have no idea what you're talking about :D

I DO think that the concept is a great, inspired idea though. That said, I think you could stand to do a few custom heroes per race. Some that I can think of: (off the tip-top of my head)

(Abilities are listed with the lv. 6 required (ultimate) going last)

Furbolg Kodiak - Strength-based with Battle Roar, Summon Bear, Maul (a leveled version of Misha's skill), and Devour (modified for a faster kill, and let's say HP recovery)

Bandit Highwayman - Agility-based with Vampiric Aura, Blink, Evasion, and Transmute, and can Shadowmeld

Forest Troll Mystic - Intelligence-based with Entangling Roots, Summon Berserkers (let's say a leveled version of the Ancestral Staff's Item Ability), Scout, and Tranquility

Makrura Wavemaster (a.k.a lobster dinner for you and 99 friends)- Strength-based (they're the most fun!)with Impale, Thorns, Summon Prawn (but have them be, say, comparable to Feral Spirits), and Reincarnation

Gnoll Lycanthropist - Agility-based with Wind walk, Sleep, Immolation, and Full Moon (something that would work like an automatic Avatar at night)... or Starfall if that's too difficult

Ice Troll Stormcaller - Intelligence-based with (this is too easy) Blizzard, Frost Armor, Frost Nova, and Monsoon

Jeez, I wish I could program well enough to keep up with my imagination...

Anyway, it would even be cool if you just had one race-specific hero each, and then did the second hero as a neutral. I'll even rack my brain and get back to you with more, if you want. This is fun!

Some other things I thought of:
It'd be good to give every race at least one ranged attacker, even if they don't actually exist. Ensnare is a good start, but to reduce micro while attacking, a ranged attack would be great. I played Furbolgs first, for instance, and it was a nuisance realizing that I only had one Tracker while the computer had pumped Chimaeras.

Using the Furbolgs as an example, I'd just make a custom unit and give it a strong ranged attack (cos Furbolgs are expensive and overpowered). You could use Furion Stormrage's little bird as the Shaman's attack, and let's say, make a Furbolg Guardian - another bear that hucks boulders like an Ancient Protector's.

Basically, I love the concept you came up with. I've got ideas but no way to program them, so if you're ever looking for an idea, I'd be glad to assist.

(edited for clarity... results questionable)
 
Each race has a ranged unit, except Murlocs....


Furbolgs are overpowered?
Are they?
They are also the most expensive in costs per unit and food...


As for the Heroes, well, my idea was to "invent" two race specific Heroes
and fill in the blanks with the neutral ones.

Then, however, I couldn't come up with a decent Hero :)
So, currently, there's only neutral Heroes.
It isn't that bad, I guess.
It's certainly enough to get an idea about how it works ;)

That said, I'm open for ideas.
If I get two "good" ones for each Race... I'll make them.


Yours
AceHart
 
Ahh, there's where my clarity edit failed.

The furbolgs are overpowered, yes. I failed to say, though, that their individual strength-per-unit is balanced by their high resource and food cost. So never you mind.

I'm going to have to play the map some more - I guess I just missed the ranged Furbolg. You can bet I'll be back later, once I've fiddled around with it some more.

And I'll get to work on thinking up some heroes for you! :D
 
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