Health Patients to be frozen into state of suspended animation for surgery

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  1. The Helper

    The Helper Administrator Staff Member

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    Patients are to be placed into a state of suspended animation when they undergo surgery by using a ground breaking technique that freezes their bodies to the point of death.

    Surgeons are pioneering a method of inducing extreme hypothermia in trauma patients so that their bodies shut down entirely during major surgery, giving doctors more time to perform operations.

    The technique helps to reduce the damage done to the brain and other organs while the patient's heart is not beating. It also reduces the need for anaesthetic and life support machines.

    Researchers are now set to begin the first human trials of the technique, which involves replacing a patient's blood with a cold solution to rapidly chill body temperatures.

    Whole article here.
     
  2. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    How is the body able to stay alive while undergoing this? (Didn't read the entire article. Skimmed a bit. Getting into some SC2 games soon.)
     
  3. YourFace

    YourFace <span style="color:#9C9C9C;"><strong>Runner Up - T

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    Sounds risky, but comas already mean life or death
     
  4. Jedimindtrixxx

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    its like hibernation. a marmot i think it was has a heartbeat of 2 per minute when in hibernation, and has a body temp of 2 degrees celsius. its pretty much the same concept. however since the heart isnt beating at all, they have less time than the entire winter season.


    EDIT: just rewatched the part in the documentary and it is infact marmots.
     
  5. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    That's just eh. I would never let them do that to me. >_<

    Even if it's stupid not to let them etc. whatever aguments for this.

    I just wouldn't do it :-/

    Scares me too much. I mean like my heart is stopped and I'm practically frozen.
     
  6. esb

    esb Because none of us are as cruel as all of us.

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    Well they already have you cut up and opened. A lot could happen with you like that. Pausing your heart shouldn't be a biggie.
     
  7. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    Eh. I don't like surgery. And I'm squeamish around lots of blood and cutting people open. >_<
     
  8. Slapshot136

    Slapshot136 Divide et impera

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    well this wouldn't be routine, but for people who are already in a dangerous situation/coma/etc. and would need major surgery anyways
     
  9. Sim

    Sim Forum Administrator Staff Member

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    The article states that it would be currently for trauma use, where a few minutes can buy a patient's life. In fact, instead of having literaly minutes to save the person, they have a couple hours. Quite a huge boost.
     
  10. Dan

    Dan The New Helper.Net gives me great Anxiety... o.O;;

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    Trauma... meaning you wouldn't be making the decision anyways... XD

    I'm scared to death of surgery of any type too... I won't even go under for Dental situations. Scares the flipdingloboms out of me!

    But I'm sure I wouldn't mind being saved from death. ;)
     
  11. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    For me dental surgeries are a different story. I'm scared shitless about them because they DIDN'T put me under to extract 6 of my teeth (surgically) which were growing sideways.
     
  12. Durandal

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    Doesn't freezing them sorta make the original point of saving their lives with surgery...completely moot? To my knowledge there has been no case of bringing humans out of cryogenic suspension safely
     
  13. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    Perhaps you should read the article.
     
  14. BANANAMAN

    BANANAMAN Resident Star Battle Expert.

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    In related news Nasa develops effective solution for transporting astronauts to Mars and beyond. :rolleyes:
     
  15. FireCat

    FireCat Oh Shi.. Don't wake the tiger!

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    Not a Biggie? Have you thought about, Maybe the heart doesn't want wake up again :rolleyes:
     
  16. Durandal

    Durandal New Member

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    Maybe you should learn what your talking about, what the articles says doesn't matter, they're talking about using cryogenic suspension for surgeries, but scientists have been unable to bring anyone out of it afterwards
     
  17. Sevion

    Sevion The DIY Ninja

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    Maybe I should learn what I'm talking about? I may not have some degree in this or have studied it for years, and neither have you (if you say you have, then you're bullshitting).

    But at least I can read:

    And don't give any bullshit about "that's on animals, not humans" because humans are animals.
     
  18. Flare

    Flare Stops copies me! Staff Member

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    Success in animal trials doesn't automatically mean that something will work for humans (e.g. thalidomide). Durandal makes a valid point, regardless of what the article says - if a person hasn't been 're-animated' after cryogenic suspension, then the technique doesn't really change much (if anything, it could further endanger the person if you weigh up the risk of being unable to stabilize a patient vs. being able to bring them back from being frozen) until it is shown that it works safely for humans.
     
  19. sqrage

    sqrage Moderator Staff Member

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    And so are centipedes and roaches, that doesn't mean we're even close in biological and neural complexity.
     
  20. Jedimindtrixxx

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    centipedes and roaches are insects not animals (unless this whole time ive been wrong)

    many animals however are, yes, not close in biological and neural complexity, but im PRETTY sure scientists know this and in fact tested on animals close to us (monkeys, pigs, etc). Im pretty sure nobody is retarded enough to make a conclusion by testing on centipedes and roaches.
    using roaches and centipedes as examples is taking it to way extremes.
     

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