Weird Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan

[The Helper]

The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism.

Vatican chiefs are concerned at what they see as an increased interest in the occult.

They have introduced courses for priests to combat what they call the most extreme form of "Godlessness."

Each bishop is to be told to have in his diocese a number of priests trained to fight demonic possession.

Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan

The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism. Vatican chiefs are concerned at what they see as an increased interest in the occult

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Asehujiko]

And how many satanists would voluntary let those priests do these exorcisms on them? None seems a pretty accurate guess to me.

The people who request an exorcism usualy have a grudge against the victim.

Funny thing, the office Ratzinger used to hold before we got promoted was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Which used to be called the Holy Office of the Inquisition.

 

[13lade619]

ok, so who's for back-up? blade? van helsing? or constantine?

 

[darkRae]

I thought Devils, Demons, or Satans or things/creatures alike don't exist!

 

[13lade619]

well, there are some things in this world beyond science.

 

[BlightWarden]

Satanism and Smores.

satanism is publicly glorified now online, myspace is a good exsample, with thousands of members publicly announcing and informing people on how their beliefs work, trying to make it sound reasonable. Personally i think if someone wants to burn in hell for all time, Let them.

for cases of possession when dealing with an innocent, then yes send in the squad. but do background work on them first, find out if they willingly practice satanic rituals. if they do, then leave them to the devil.

I find it sad that satanism is in fashion. shows how ignorant the world is growing. Satanism has nothing to do with saving your soul or living an honest life or being a decent person. I am not very religious but i'v seen some of the darker aspects of life, and to think people willingly enter into these cults is horrible.

But i am 100% against satanism, so my opinion is mostly unliked. But i wish them the best of luck as they suffer for all eternity.

 

[enouwee]

Let me guess: some men jump out of a black van with tainted windows and make you an offer you can't refuse?

"Nice belief you've got there. It'd be a pity if..."

 

[Wiseman_2]

Satanists don't actually worship Satan. Rather, he is a symbol that represents their beliefs. It is technically a "Small religious group that is unrelated to any other faith, and whose members feel free to satisfy their urges responsibly, exhibit kindness to their friends, and attack their enemies."
That is, individualism, unbound by rules and regulations of God.

Most people misinterpret Satanism as worship of the Devil himself; however, they exist and call themselves "Reverse Christians", being that they practice what Christians claim Satanists do and worship what they consider to be the enemy of Christ and God.

I hope the Pope got it right and clarified who these squads were to go after

I also notice that the Daily Mail continues its practice of picking the worst pictures to illustrate stories... The Pope seems to have a very evil look on his face.

 

[Halo_king116]

Well this is interesting. Satanic beliefs, exposing kids through our Rock and Roll and Internet. Personally, I disagree - Though theres not much I can say to elaborate on that.


Though BlightWarden, I very much disagree with your post. Not to mention that you said "Personally i think if someone wants to burn in hell for all time, Let them."...

Isn't that a little extreme? It also seems a little un-Christian to me, not helping others get a chance of redemption. But heck, I don't know the beliefs of Christianity, so maybe that kind of blunt message of unhelping is generally accepted?

I know that must be a harsh statement on my part, but don't say something like that. Especially when people weren't raised Christians, so their view of what is "hell worthy" is different then yours. I find it just rude.


Anyways, I mean no offense by the post. Just try to keep that kind of stuff to a minimum.

Have a good one!

 

[Father_Yetti]

Satanism and Smores.

Lol, that is so sad, yet so true. Good title.

Though BlightWarden, I very much disagree with your post. Not to mention that you said "Personally I think if someone wants to burn in hell for all time, Let them."...

Isn't that a little extreme? It also seems a little un-Christian to me, not helping others get a chance of redemption. But heck, I don't know the beliefs of Christianity, so maybe that kind of blunt message of unhelping is generally accepted?

Halo_king116 to answer your question: "Isn't that a little extreme?", and "It also seems a little un-Christian...", the answer in one sense to both is yes. Christians, not the religion, but the true followers of Christ preach salvation to all, and offer it to all, especially the lost. However when dealing with beliefs it is extremism that pushes one to the outer limits of their faith without which, it would make no difference were you a believer or not. So extremism is necessary in true belief. A true Christian should be rejected by all society because he will stand in stark contrast to the beliefs or unbelief surrounding him. With that said I think that what BlightWarden is trying to illustrate is the difference between those who are in need of demonic exorcisms performed on them and those who are willingly taking in demons of their own free will. At some point it actually, however extreme would be prudent to distinguish between those knowingly siding with Satan in their right mind, and those whom are lost and in need of salvation. I think that BlightWarden is not very politically correct, however I understand the distinction that he raises: being that those who choose willingly to deny God the chance at saving them, as He offers it to all, are those whom are deserving of hell fire because they themselves have knowingly chose that path and to lead others astray. While I disagree that you should not try to save them, at some point, no matter the faith one may have, you cannot change another's free will. God cannot even do that or it wouldn’t be free will. So those that choose to follow Satan and know what they are getting into, I pray that they do suffer, as their path only leads others to that same destructive end. God loves all souls and that’s why He punishes those who lead His children astray. With free will there has to be a checks and balance. Those however that may even join colts, etc., but do not know truly what they are getting into, to them they can still be saved, because they are lost, they are not knowingly in resistance to God because they themselves do not know what they are getting into. There is a distinction between the two, although it may be difficult to articulate it precisely in every situation or circumstance. At some point you have to call evil for what it is and accept it as that, even if it implies that the evil are judged because they will be. One is judged only for what he knows. God is a just judge and even if He was not, who is anyone, us each being the potter’s vessel to argue with He who formed us from the clay? Though to answer you last question: "But heck, I don't know the beliefs of Christianity, so maybe that kind of blunt message of unhelping is generally accepted?" Well, if you are dealing with a possible majority among those who associate themselves to be Christians then the answer would quite possibly be yes. People by nature can be rather cynical. Beyond that it may feed one's ego to think of them as being more pious then others they postulate unworthy of salvation. I cannot emphasize enough; this is neither what a true Christian believes nor what Christ preached. A true Christian offers his life for his friends, and many have done this over the course of history. Many have laid down their lives for others that they may believe unto salvation.

Satanists don't actually worship Satan.

While I would agree that this is a common misconception, it is no entirely true. Somebody else said this as well on a prior thread, and I would like to clarify that while all Satanists don't worship Satan there exist some that do. And yet there are even others calling him by different names such as “Bophemet”, but it is still Satan in disguise. And as is often the case in many cults, you don't know what you are getting into until you reach the top. Each level is very clandestine to those operating beneath it, and those that start in at the bottom are not purvey to what is going on at the top. You are only let up if they think you will be acquiescent to their codes and cause; which at the next level is just as blind; as it is yet another shade of deception till you reach the deluded satanic fantasies at the top. It’s that whole parable of throw a frog into hot water and he will jump out, yet if you place him in warm water you will slowly cook him by gradually raising the temperature.

That said, it is true that while even if at a surface glance Satanist are not directly worshiping Satan; they are at the core of their beliefs supporting and furthering his cause whether aware of it or not. You mentioned something similar to this effect Wiseman_2, by stating that they are in opposition to Christian beliefs. The greatest disguise for Satan’s power and ultimately his greatest trick to humankind is to convince the world that he does not exist. He is so much stronger in this scenario. Few, although there exist more today than some are aware, will want to knowingly worship the Prince of Lies and Deceit. It’s funny that man would follow Satan when his whole agenda is against the human race. He is jealous of man and wishes him eternal damnation. Satan is the Father of Lies. The mere fact that even he would want his initial followers to believe he does not exist is not implausible.

Take this for example: of the many cases of Demon Possession and Visible Spiritual Warfare; it happens usually to those who already believe in things such as Angels, Demons, God and Satan. I never saw a demon before I truly believed in God, except as a very young kid when you believe in everything. As a kid I believed in God, but not truly, it was only what my parents told me, and I found many contradictions at that. But as I moved away from home and started to search for the truth on my own, I went from disbelief for a while and back to belief again. When I came back into believing in God, it was different than before; I was no longer haphazardly following a religion that seemed flawed. I started to follow my Creator that enjoyed revealing the truth to me and considered me an equal. He became my personal savior and light into this world.

Anyways, it was only when I believed that I started to see things, actual demons, angels, etc. I was never possessed before, although I did have a demon which inhibited my breathing to the point of needing to seek medical treatment from three different sources all whom could do nothing. I got x-rays, cat scans and everything. No doctor, chiropractor etc. could figure out what was wrong though they could test that my lung capacity was just above near fatal levels. I really couldn’t do anything. It was a huge distress, yet with no answers and little help. I was closely monitored at the time, but didn’t necessarily turn to prayer even though I was a believer.

I didn’t know it was a demon at the time I was seeking treatment, but later when I was being taken care of at my parents house I had a demon try to enter me, or scare me at least. I was deciding to turn to prayer and I guess Satan didn’t like that. I ran to my mother and wife to pray over me, it chased, as soon as they prayed in the name of Jesus to fill me with the Holy Spirit, light immediately filled the room and shot through my chest from head to toe, out the ceiling and through the floor. The demon that was chasing me fled, and from my chest shot out this black shadow. I could breath fine again. I uncontrollably worshiped God for a good amount of time. There were many other things that happened that day to prove this happened.

The point to all this is that this sort of thing is very real, and may be having an awakening right now as many others including those involved in the cult itself are testifying. I believe, however, that things are increasing on both sides of the scale. Near The End, God will pour out His Holy Spirit. And that Spirit is a free gift for any to take, you only have to believe and ask for it. Not believing in Satan or God, or Heaven and Hell is exactly where Satan wants you and he isn’t going to show you otherwise. God on the other hand has His own plan for those who will come to Him. He will not force you to believe for who then wouldn’t? His own sheep will hear His voice and be saved. He offers but one sign to this generation for belief in Him and that is what the Son of Man called the sign of Jonah. As Jonah remained three days in the belly of a fish and was saved, so the Son of Man will remain three days in the belly of earth and be raised from the dead. Although there is no worldly proof of this, there is a shockwave through history regarding this man and this event unlike any other that has ever been created.

Even those that killed this Man and did not believe, the Jews, and many scribes and Pharisees later regarded Him as a great profit. They killed Him because of the things He did. The only reason He stirred such a great crowd and made a commotion worthy of crucifixion is because the works that He did were True. They feared Him as evil because they had never seen anything like it before. I know this may appear to be way of topic here, but it is actually not as we are dealing with exorcism, and I believe the True proponent in spiritual warfare and opponent to Satan and Satanism to be Jesus Christ, the only Son of God. You don’t need to be trained in exorcism to cast out demons. You need only belief in Jesus Christ and His name alone has power on earth and in heaven.

Lastly, wow, that picture of the pope really does make Him look evil. Lol, what a shot, he looks demonic to me. By the way I do not consider the pope to be a true follower of Christ, but who am I to judge. I think the Vatican is prone to corruption, but may hold some believers. That entire getup, the throne, the attire, the money, these are not things of God, but of man. A true follower follows God in Spirit and Truth for God is such. Hence few will believe and follow, and why the few that do will take great measures in laying down their lives that others may find the Truth. The majority, including the so called Christians are often wrong. Having Eyes we see but do not see, and ears we hear but do not hear.

 

[Lobster]

WHERE DO YOU GET THESE STORIES??!! THIS ACTUALLY TRUE? DOESNT THE POPE HAVE OTHER MORE BELEIVABLE THINGS TO DEAL WITH (Although he is the leader of the catholic church)! I HAVE NOT HEARD THIS AT ALL. Sorry for caps, and I know this sounded like flaming. But this just seems odd.

btw, this reminds me of the begining of a family guy episode or something. I cant remember that episode very well though.

 

[Wiseman_2]

Smeg. That took me some reading... I've made posts a quarter that length and it took me 45 minutes to type.

Have I really said that Satanists don't worship Satan in previous posts? I was unaware
Anyway, at the time I was just generalising, and reffering to what the Pope himself is probably reffering to.

 

[Father_Yetti]

Smeg. That took me some reading... I've made posts a quarter that length and it took me 45 minutes to type.

I like to express myself through words and art, or just anything; I enjoy it. <3 That took me about as much time. I'm passionate about what I believe and don't mind putting myself out there. When you are fueled with passion it is easy to express yourself. The hard part is turning it off.

Have I really said that Satanists don't worship Satan in previous posts? I was unaware
Anyway, at the time I was just generalizing, and referring to what the Pope himself is probably referring to.

Wiseman_2, sorry I checked through and tried to find where I thought you said this. In looking back I think it was esb that said this. I am sorry for saying it was you when I am thinking now that it was not. I changed it now in the above post. Just so you know; I knew that you understood the distinctions I was being so particular about; I just didn't want others to be naive in understanding what this is all about.

 

[esb]

Yes, It most likely was me that said that Satanics don't worship the devil, that the Devil (a.k.a. Baphomet) is a symbol of freedom. They are their own God.

I would consider myself Athiest, since I do not believe Gods exist, nor the devil, nor heaven, nor hell. There are many contradictions in the Holy Bible (Christian) especially Catholic. I don't like religion that much. What makes religion right? There is no proof it exists. There were mythological gods, used to explain things (wind, sun, night, death, etc.), and today, 'God' is used to explain before life, after life/death, and what to do during your life. When someone has a negative experience, they call him/her a sinner, and say they deserve it. When a religious person is experiencing something negative, they call it "a test from god". I've met quite a few pastors of small churches, medium churches, and big churches, most have been quite hypocritical.

Christianity (Catholics included) was first used in the Medieval ages, as a way to keep people controlled, basically it was a law saying "Don't do this or the mighty one will deal with you when you die".
Religion isn't all bad. It helps people (societies) become better people. It decreases crime, and just negative things. The only thing I thank religion is for bringing my dad out of drugs, and I've seen it work on other people (not just drugs, but other things).

Back to satanism, yes, SOME 'types' of satanic cults do sacrifices, believe in a "god" and "satan". But if you look back, in the old testaments, God required his people to do sacrifices for him (live animals), at one point he asked for Abraham's son (but according to the bible, God wasn't really going to let him sacrifice his son).

 

[Father_Yetti]

esb, while I cannot be held solely accountable for the wrongs and hypocrisies of others, let alone entire groups of people; religions, Catholics, priest, etc. - I am sorry that you have found few if any to be of a genuine accord. First and foremost I am a man after the truth. This has been my yearning even when I did not believe. It is my hearts desire to seek the truth…well, that and maybe Hale Berry…please Lord? J/k, but in all honestly I know that you believe what you believe because of your personal upbringing and experiences. The same is said for anyone, myself included.

I am sorry that those experiences have led you to have a general disregard/unbelief and/or association with God. I likewise am disappointed with the hypocrisy of many spiritual leaders today as well as with the many contradictions to be found in all religions and/or anything related to man. Religion and God are two completely different things. No one creates their belief in God because they don’t understand certain things about life. Our beliefs are there simply because that’s what we do believe. The same is said of science. We don’t make up science because we don’t know, we believe in it because that’s what our experience tells us is true, at least relatively speaking even if it isn’t.

We were not made illogical irrational creatures. Take me for example; I was honor roll society and at the top of my class, I understand many things in this life, though to consider myself wise would be foolish. I have not hereafter graduated and fostered a belief in God to fill in the gaps of what I could not understand. I as well as many others do not make God up to feel better about death or the unknown. We believe because that’s what our experiences tell us to be true. I believe in God because I know Him to be true. I have a relationship with Him; I converse with Him, He hears me and communicates back, and I have seen Him work miracles in me and through others. Because of this…my own eyes and ears are open to others when they share of similar experiences. The Holy Spirit is a witness as well.

Religion on the other hand is created by man, and is as you say used in some cases for salacious purposes. It would be an error on anyone’s part to throw the baby out with the bath water though. As you say religion is also responsible for much good in this world. I am very glad for your dad and the many others who have been helped because of it. Look at the life of Mother Teresa.

It is detrimental to not know the world in which we live. The stakes could not be higher. And although I understand why many don't believe, it is my authentication to them that I have seen and observed actual things. Nay sayers will believe only when they themselves see. For many, such a burden of proof will be laid down far too late. That is why I am telling you that what I have seen and hear is real. I gain nothing to make any of this up to you, only ridicule because I already know you don’t believe.

In the old and new testament God says clearly that he abhors sacrifice and burnt offerings, that incense is an abomination to Him. Why? Because it is all done in vain. His misguided followers kept doing it because they knew no other way to atone for their sins, or so they thought. It was out of their blindness and this is why He sent to us His Christ. Sacrifice is no longer required and it was used then as a teaching tool to man. In the Old Testament God was like a father trying to reason with his 5 year old sons. Many things were done in the law as a remembrance and as a sign of faith. This is what God did with Abraham. He was testing Abraham’s faith in Him, but a holy messenger laid hands on Abraham and stopped Him. Because of the faith Abraham possessed he was greatly blessed.

Hard times are not a trial to those who do not believe; they are a trial and a pruning to those whom God loves. Why? God is searching your heart and giving you the chance to seek him through adversity. It is easy for a believer to praise God when they are blessed, but will they look to Him in their distress, or blame Him and His design by believing He has made things unfairly – that He can’t amend whatever wrongs or hurts present themselves. It is any religious leader's fault to tell what you mention to people in the faith - to tell them as they are going through a hard time that it is God testing them.

Let God test in silence between one’s own heart and that of his Creator’s. In most cases it is never God that tests you directly and God does not bring upon bad things to humanity. Through tough trials we are allowed windows with which to glorify God. He is always there for you, but it is hard to see how especially in disbelief. I would encourage you that there are far fewer contradictions to be found in the Bible then you find in most religions, and that if you are seeking; this is a good place to start. Also Catholics and Protestants, as well as non-denominational, meaning no religion; all share the same Bible. There are only different translations, but it is all the same interpretation as far the text goes. It is the interpretation of man that leads to the many inconstancies and the wayward ways of his heart to the hypocrisies that exist today.

None of this disproves God; it only shows man’s inherent state of collapse…We are not our own creators, and yet having a form of godliness will continue to deny its origins.

 

[esb]

Thanks the reply, and I have seen many with the same, and maybe even greater, faith that you have. What I like about you is that you don't try to shove your religion into me like many others have tried before, which is what I hate about religion in the first place. I was raised (at age 3) as a Protestant. My parents are strict believes in God. I guess I was a believer too, until eventually I could think for myself, and read the bible like they told me to, and found many questions (which I will save for another, more on topic, debate)

All though I had been protestant for about 11 years, I never found any direct, or anything close, to proof, or a sign, that God existed, but that's just me.
I do believe, however, that everyone has the right to believe in religion, and in anything they want, in the end, I guess, we will see what happens.