Probably one of the best ZvP's I've had in a while

Vestras

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Hey, I just played one of the best ZvP's I've had in a while. It includes doomdrops, motherships, vortexes, recalls, base trades, etc. And it's not "macro for 45 minutes and army trade".
My ranking is high diamond (about 2600 points) and his is the same. We both have the potential to get into masters, but he keeps hitting losing streaks and I haven't had the time to latter much lately.

C&C is welcome for both of us.
 

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s3rius

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My C&C:

@ Vestras

- For the love of God learn burrow! He had like no observers! Maybe even less than that :0 That would've been so epic for the cheap cost of 100/100 (?)! That would've been so awesome to have in his base.
- At ~21:00 I'd have liked to see more expansions going on. Like - take every nearby expo even if you can't saturate them. You had money and debats was defensive.
- Epic amount of overseers. They really had a nice tea party there. BLARRGH.
- In a normal situation I'd have liked to see mass contamination. In a base raze this isn't really so important though.
- What's with your creep spread? Especially when going for so many Hydras you should know how important this is. In my games with you there were always dozens of damn tumors all around. Shoulda done this here, too.
- When he backdoor'd into your main I think it'd be useful to throw down a lot of spine crawlers at your natural to block his path. You had enough money to survive the loss of mining drones. But it'd stop the stalker push and you wouldn't have lost that lair.
- You forgot to put some ovies at the top/bottom middle of the map so you can see all the things going on. Potential drops etc.

@ debats:

- Your blink stalkers can blink. No need to WALK up two ramps and squeeze through a narrow entrance to get into your main when it's just getting ovie dropped. You can blink up ;)
- You should've harrassed more. Blink stalkers are all nice, but vs Hydras they don't do very well, even with blinking away the first row before it dies. Since Vest... ehh.. Supply (^^) didn't get mutas you could use small kill teams to run around and harrass.
- I also doubt the efficiency of mass stalkers only.. You should continue in tech. Either get the usual templar/collossi or go for something less common like void rays/carrier. But don't stay on tier 1.5 for ever. With exception of that Mothership.
- Vs so many Hydras you should def. get some Sentries. Their guardian shield will help a lot.

@ both:

- None of you particulary likes Xel Naga watchtowers, amirite? :p
 

Siretu

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The best C&C I can give to each of you is(Funny how they both have to do with the mothership):

Vestras:
Kill. the. mothership. KILL. THE. MOTHERSHIP(First time, it survived with 26hp or something. KILL IT!

debats:
I love you for that mothership.

Also, when Vestras morphed in like 20 overseers, I first thought they were brood lords. They were not. Son, I am disappoint.
 

s3rius

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Yep, I first saw how the Spire started morphing into a Greater Spire (actually it's the first time I saw the start of it. With these tentacle thingies coming out and engulfing the top o0) and then I saw a dozen Cocoons and I was like 'Wtf that sprite isn't even finished :x' for a second.

Coincidently the newest Day9 Daily is about an epic ZvP with Toss going for mass Stalker and a Mothership (he did an Archon toilet!). I'm sorry to say but XLorD and KiwiKaki are more awesome than debats and Vestras :p

Ima suggest debats to watch that D9D closely. It's basically his stragety, just more refined and overall better :3
 
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