Crime Satan-Loving Teen Lights Church Fire

[ElderKingpin]

ok, (i might be sounding biased, im a baptist [christian], but ill do my best)

1. Ok, so you dont believe in going to church, fine by me, however, do you not atleast see the trouble it could cause to the people who do go to church, to some people church is a refuge, a place to get closer to God, and some crazy teenagers burnt that down, its not about God, its about the damage costs and what affect it could do to the people around it.
2. Im sure everyone agrees with me, when it comes down to the point of, those kids were retards.
3. I wouldnt be crying if it was westboro.

*OFF-TOPIC *

Unleash the nerd rage!

 

[Tru_Power22]

One way or another those parents need to get some control over their kids.

 

[Sevion]

its not about God, its about the damage costs and what affect it could do to the people around it.

It's not about the damage costs at all :nuts:

It's about what the teens did. '

There is a difference.

 

[BANANAMAN]

One less church won't really change anything.

 

[sjakie]

One less church won't really change anything.

Its more of the idea a teenager is actually capable of doing this. If all 300.000 satanic teenage girls would do such things.....it would change something.

 

[bOb666777]

Mind if I ask, why would you purposely be a devil worshiper? I swear if the only reason people do that is because "christianism isn't cool" —and thats the only reason I can find, because I fail to see the point in being purposely evil—, just fucking become atheist... And there's no need to burn down churches...

I mean, people are usually evil to their own advantage, such as stealing money or whatever. But burning down an innocent church? What does this get you... Nothing?

 

[ElderKingpin]

.. i think theres a better way of saying that.

having common sense

 

[Samael88]

innocent church

WARNING!!! This spoiler might contain material that could be seen as flaming, but it is NOT intended as such!

Spoiler

Oh, I get so angry when people say that
A church is never innocent!
All religion is built on belief, they have caused many deaths. The christians have burned books and thus possibly keept technology a few years behind where it should have been
I was forced to spend my ending ceremony in a freaking chruch every year of school! The bible was forced upon me on my first year of school!

No matter how you twist and turn, religion will always cause conflicts, and the only way for religion and peace to exist at the same time is if everyone conform to one religion. Don't even think about thinking that I am wrong before you have thought it thru completely. If you still say I am wrong I will just say "fanatiscism" and "extremists".

I can tolerate religion, I can tolerate that people has different beliefs. But "innocent" and "church" is two words that I don't tolerate together

Edit: Oh, and no, it is not pointed directly at bob, I am talking about it in general.

 

[Seb!]

The Catholic Church basically began the age of reason. Monasteries led to Medieval Universities, which began the modern quest for knowledge, wisdom, and technology. The Irish monks preserved Latin and Greek manuscripts during the Dark Ages. If they had not, the scrolls would have been lost forever. Many of the greatest works of art, buildings, and literary works have centered around themes of Mary and the saints.

Through faith-based learning and congregation, Islam has given us algebra, the modern time system, and numerals. Countless navigational inventions came from Islamic religious scientists and inventors that led to the discovery of the new world.

Admittedly, Protestantism haven't given us much but war, division, and neo-conservatives.. But, hey, even the Mormons have developed the best collection of genealogical data on earth. And Obama's Baptist.

Point is, we would be nowhere without religion. It's not religion in itself that hurts people, it's peoples' use of religion.

 

[Samael88]

The Catholic Church basically began the age of reason. Monasteries led to Medieval Universities, which began the modern quest for knowledge, wisdom, and technology. The Irish monks preserved Latin and Greek manuscripts during the Dark Ages. If they had not, the scrolls would have been lost forever. Many of the greatest works of art, buildings, and literary works have centered around themes of Mary and the saints.

Through faith-based learning and congregation, Islam has given us algebra, the modern time system, and numerals. Countless navigational inventions came from Islamic religious scientists and inventors that led to the discovery of the new world.

Admittedly, Protestantism haven't given us much but war, division, and neo-conservatives.. But, hey, even the Mormons have developed the best collection of genealogical data on earth. And Obama's Baptist.

Point is, we would be nowhere without religion. It's not religion in itself that hurts people, it's peoples' use of religion.

It's not the religion that have made them invent stuff you know
And also, I did not say that religion is wrong or bad.
Religion brings faith, and faith is the last thing anyone can ever take from you Faith is fundamental in the human mind, no matter if it is faith in god or in your own abilities

But, they tend to bring a lot of fanatics, and they are often forced upon people. I for one think that it is wrong to baptise a baby. I don't know how it is in your country, but in Sweden the church has a confirmation rite somewhere between 13-15(don't remember exactly which). I think that the rite should have a demand of the person being 18years of age in the same way as most binding contracts have. And that it is wrong to make people being burried in religious-graveyards. If my funeral would be held with any religious stuff even near it, I would be haunting the crap out of everyone around it.

 

[Whitesock]

Samael, what you seem to be arguing is that people create conflict, and I fell that you are insulting me by blaming religion as the cause. Please, if you're going to state a fact, give me a better reason than just "religion will always cause conflicts," or at least explain both sides of the viewpoint to why the argument that people will cause conflict because they seek personal gain is inferior to "religion will always cause conflicts."

Also, I want to say that it's bad to be hypocritical.

And also, I did not say that religion is wrong or bad.

Oh, I get so angry when people say that
A church is never innocent!
All religion is built on belief, they have caused many deaths. The christians have burned books and thus possibly keept technology a few years behind where it should have been
I was forced to spend my ending ceremony in a freaking chruch every year of school! The bible was forced upon me on my first year of school!

Because I'm quite sure it's easy enough to tell that your negative words are calling religion bad, and that's not even all of you rant.

Basically what I'm saying is be careful, because your lack of thinking through your argument causes it to be quite offending.

EDIT: Now fully reading through this thread, it's disturbing how many of you are saying "Oh it's just a church, it's fine if that burns down." Seriously though, even if you aren't religious, you're basically saying that anyone who is religious is expendable. Are you all really that cold hearted that you don't value human life?

Want some proof? I always like not being a hypocrite, so here ya go.

kids these days... you never know what they'r up to, anyways, im atheist so i dont really care

No, seriously, I could not care less about who did it, just the fact that it is a chruch is good new It would had been a lot worse if it was a school with children or something

dont tell me your another victim of the church, please

I just thought I'd bring this up as it seems to be more of a moral than religious topic (though it is discriminate against religion still).

 

[Samael88]

Oh, I'm sorry Whitesock. I never meant to offend anyone
Sometimes I have trouble to put words for what I want to say.
My first post was meant a bit as a joke as well, that was why I put it in a spoiler in the first place

But while we are at it. as I said in the second post:
I don't mean to say that religion is bad at all. Religion is a good thing beacuse of the fact that it brings faith. That is also kind of what is bad with it in another way.
Faith is good in this context:
I believe in myself.
Faith is acceptable in this context:
I believe in god.
Faith is bad in this context:
I believe in the preacher that tells me to burn witches.

It's the same for all other things with a lot of crowds actually, say nazism for example, that is am -ism that most of us know about.
It is also easier to explain with a faith that is somewhat based on hatred.
Take nazism and think about ww2 and what adolf did, started a war, and the camps and so on. That is all beacuse of a lot of people believing in the same thing and one person aiming that belief on a subject.
That has been done by christianity as well, witch-huntin and the inquisition.
That is really easy to do when people sharing a common faith or even an interest for that matter.
You can also compare it to the people starting rebellions at a football game and many more things for that matter.
And that is why I draw the conclusion that religion is not nessecarely a good thing. And beacuse of that there can be no peace as long as there is religion, nor while there is any other belief either for that matter, or untill everyone unites under one common belief.

Did you get what I mean now?
Yes, I know that the context and the message with the whole context has changed. It's just me trying to explain what I mean, I actually put down a bit more thought to it this time

And no, I don't hate religion, I think that it is interesting

And to the curch comment you quoted that was made by me.
I still think that it would had been worse if it had been a school, you got to think about the children man
And no, religious people are not expendable, but the church is beacuse it is a somewhat unessecary thing, I think that most of their ceremonies could be held in any building, even tho some of them looks nice and have historical value.

 

[sqrage]

The earth is far from overpopulated. Certain areas are overpopulated, yes, but there is still plenty of room.

Room yes, but we are clearly overpopulated when half the world is starving and without shelter.

10b is said to be the Earth's threshold and we are almost there.

 

[Seb!]

Room yes, but we are clearly overpopulated when half the world is starving and without shelter.

10b is said to be the Earth's threshold and we are almost there.

But statistically there's enough food and resources for everyone, it's just the whole distribution thing.

 

[ElderKingpin]

I think you guys are looking at the extremes of religious views, there are people that go to extremes to "serve" their religion, but would you HONESTLY, not be friends with a normal person that just goes to church, i mean if the person was devout but not crazy they would most likely by a high standards person, and who doesnt want that to be their friend?

 

[bOb666777]

I'm not particularly informed on this subject but, didn't the last religious war happen ages ago? People have evolved... Or at least in Europe and America... Not sure about Asia and Africa (Not that I'm racist, I REALLY am unsure about whether there are still religious wars over there...)

 

[Samael88]

I think you guys are looking at the extremes of religious views, there are people that go to extremes to "serve" their religion, but would you HONESTLY, not be friends with a normal person that just goes to church, i mean if the person was devout but not crazy they would most likely by a high standards person, and who doesnt want that to be their friend?

Of course we would, or at least me. But that would not be an interresting thing to talk about.
That's like talking about the bad things about dogs overall and not even mention pitbulls
There are bad things to everything really. I just reacted to that he said innocent church and wanted to explain why

Edit: Bob, yes it was ages ago, but that does not prevent it from happening again. Next big war could be about anything. I am just saying that religion is not just praying and going to a building every sunday. It can be a dangerous thing as well.

 

[Bloodcount]

You may not care about God and the devil, but doesnt the fact that a teenager is capable of setting buildings on fire because of her beliefs slightly disturb you?

Not on the slightest. This is just a new way of "fight for your religion" For example the Koran (the muslaim version of the bible) sais that you must fight in the holly war for making people join "the right religion" and that whoever dies for his religion will get 50 virgins in their version of heaven. So basically some religions learn their followers to be uber aggressive to other religions.

I am a 15teen year old and you would be surprised to hear in what messes I have been dragged into, so the age isn't really something to worry about... if it was a 8 year old or something then I'd be "WTF?"

 

[sjakie]

Well, its by far not always religion that causes wars. Religion is simply a very personal thing and therefor often used as an excuse. Things like poverty, might and land breed wars, actual beliefs rarely do. Its comparable to Bush waging war with Iraq mainly for oil, while claiming to fight for their freedom. Although peace and religion make "valid" things to fight for, they rarely 100% are the things fought for. The man is in need of oil and that he bring peace, well, thats a good thing to have aside from that. There are plenty of cities that host numerous different religions without having any trouble with it, as long as the life conditions are fine. The moment a certain group feels they are treated worse than the others, they will rebel, probably in the name of their religion. Human nature, I guess. In the end, were all nothing but selfish.

 

[Aqua Dragon]

Am I the only one that thought that i was kind of dumb including the "satan-loving" part? I mean, not that I agree with that idea in particular, but I doubt that that small bit was actually relevant. At all. I can kind of see how that might play out, but just because worship of the devil probably alone is not the cause of why she did that. It was like a topic a while ago, mentioning that the kid was autistic even though the article did not require it to make sense, and it seemed like a pointless factoid trying to get people to go against an entire group from the actions of one person.

A headline that is

"Cheerleader hunts, kills giant alligator"

seems pretty offensive if you put

"Buddhist cheerleader hunts, kills giant alligator"

because it doesn't really matter, and seems like it's trying to create some prejudice.