Should politicians be held liable for what they say?

[FireCat]

Then hes the one that gets blamed for "not following through"

Well, better than being called a "completely" Lair!

 

[Varine]

Well, better than being called a "completely" Lair!

I wouldn't mind being called a complete lair.

 

[FireCat]

I wouldn't mind being called a complete lair.

[del]Oh you are such a liar! [/del]
Why do you want to be a complete lair? LOL

 

[Varine]

Because it makes no sense and I think it's funny. You just spelled it wrong, it's liar. Lair is like what evil geniuses have.

 

[DDRtists]

Well, better than being called a "completely" Lair!

[del]Oh you are such a liar! [/del]
Why do you want to be a complete lair? LOL

Mang, why do you even bother posting in a debate thread? Cmon', try to debate. You do the same thing almost every thread, you waltz in and find a post that someone made a point on, and then say something like "But what if it's not? LOL". Thats not debating, thats being annoying. If someone has a opinion standpoint on a debate, you can't just come in and ask something like that, which is pretty much saying "That opinion doesn't work", which is never the case. Thats the power of opinions.

Do some research, or do the normal debate users a deal and stop coming in and posting like that. All it EVER does is start flame wars, look at almost every thread that you do this stuff in. No hate, but please mang, be a bit more open minded and a bit less ignorant to seeing other peoples opinions...
Do some reading

Because it makes no sense and I think it's funny. You just spelled it wrong, it's liar. Lair is like what evil geniuses have.

Hahaha, winning. :thup:

 

[Varine]

You can never be wrong about an opinion, unless you're liberal. According to my high school yearbook quote number one (I got two because I'm balla).

 

[BANANAMAN]

People should really stop thinking in Binary (us vs Them) There is no right or wrong way to approach things more so in Politics. I think people should be more realistic and patient when it comes to choosing the right person for office.

I mean which should win? A candidate known for his/her sound moral standing proposing a plausible but tedious plan to resolve (insert country's problem here) or a candidate who proposes Sexy whimmins,Bacon,Beer and Free money for everyone along with ending all suffering?

Then of course we tend to look at politicians as objects that are responsible for whatever happens around us which allows us to blame them for whatever fuck ups happen. Never mind that they're people just like us,people whom we voted into office expecting them to solve our problems like some sort of Machine built to end world hunger or something like that.

 

[GFreak45]

No. The republicans blame California. California blames Texas. Texas blames the ban on incandescent bulbs, then Texas secedes. We continue to blame Bush.

i love you... but it ends with texas invading arizona and seizing control of californias utility/resource supply and california disappearing off the edge of the coast with the last thing being seen of it a firey sacrifice of george bush murals.

but i digress, i do think politicians should be held responsible for things that they have control over, ie: saying they will try to put prop through, regardless of whether they will get it.

If a politician promises something they have no control over, they are either an idiot, or playing on the massive idiocy of a good portion of america (im american so its not being judge mental its just stating the truth) but i dont think you should be punished for something you have no control over

ps. i liked the perjury idea for the punishment of the crime, lying to the united states should be no less of a perjury than lying under oath

 

[DM Cross]

I skimmed through this thread and saw a lot of silly things being said... But I will throw in my 2 cents, feel free to take it or leave it.

In my opinion, I think accountability is extremely important. [I would, I'm in the military!]

I don't vote. I'm an American citizen, a member of the world's greatest Air Force and I'm 23. And I have never once voted.

Why not, you may ask? Because not only do I not feel that my vote would account for much, but I don't really believe in politics anymore. If anyone here is on my FB page, you'll notice the section on Information where it asks what my political views are says something along the lines of:

"I think politics are a joke; It's a game now for people to promise the world and then when they win their election, they act according to an entirely different agenda. I think if I were the President, I would tell you EXACTLY what I plan to do and that would be what I did. I highly doubt I'd win any election because honesty is simply not the best political policy."

[Actually, the statement before the quotes is untrue; That is EXACTLY what my page says. I should know, I wrote it!]

Anyway, imagine if we could hold the president to his campaign speeches? What if his/her failure to meet what he/she says they're going to accomplish during their term as President resulted in not only denial of re-election but fines? Or possible jail time?

The sad thing is, politicals are the "silver spoon" type people. Or should I say "forked tongue" type? But I digress.

In my opinion, politics is the art of realizing what a majority of the people want to hear being said, saying it with enough enthusiasm that people believe you're telling the truth and then acting according to your own means, while still finding excuses why you couldn't do what you said you would do in order to fool people for a third time.

Wanna know the real reason Presidents can only be elected for two terms?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times... And where's my shotgun?

Have a great day, everyone!

 

[thewrongvine]

I agree with you Seth, and obviously honesty is important.
<end of that thought, no idea where it was going>
...but if you think about it, Presidents (and politicians) of the past got away with a lot more things than today. Some documentary I watched, a random passerby summed up politics nicely, saying something like how politics are just like a magazine or some TV show and we're the viewers. I probably got that completely wrong, but what I'm saying is the media controls so much of what goes on today. The level of dishonesty and falsehood may have been better or worse in the past, but we wouldn't really know, and if it was worse, they would get away with a lot more. Everything's blown up today. Politicians are celebrities.

So obviously, accountability in a way is unfair as Bronx and DDR said, because results are impossible to determine, and the media already blows everything they say out of proportion. However, that doesn't change the truth that empty words are empty words that shouldn't have been said in the first place. Sure, a lot of people say things like that, like someone said, salesmen. However, politicians are not salesmen. They're not celebrities that can get away for a scandal. Politicians, especially the President, are and should be above that. Politicians are people, yes, but that is put aside when you're in a position for anything. There's a reason not everyone can be the President, it takes something more, something special. The public isn't forcing a person into politics, they choose it, so if they are elected, they should know what's in store for them, which is obviously more than any one man can handle.

So I also believe accountability is important, but it's one of those things that should have something done about it, but it's just realistically difficult. What their consequences would be I don't know, but I leave that up to the people...

Eh? Eh? What am I even saying?

 

[Varine]

Wanna know the real reason Presidents can only be elected for two terms?

Because FDR died and people were like "Hey... what the fuck was that about? Let's not let that happen again."

 

[Danny Cross]

THey should of coarse be liable to what they say. They may not always be the ones to write it but they always read it before speaking.

If you can get up and make all these cock a bull promises and get elected and not to dam thing you promise, then what is the point of voting. Your going to vote for what you here is best yet they are all lies.

This is why I dont vote, I stopped listening to the garbage that comes out there mouths.