Spells - Basics of Trigger Enhancing Spells

[The Helper]

bumping 5 star threads

 

[The Helper]

5 star bump

 

[lllidan]

whoa awesome tutorial +rep

Not even half-way done yet though

 

[expect_fear]

holy crap that tut is insane

 

[TrueAndFast]

Or - Any (Conditions) are true Conditions
((Random integer number between 1 and 100) Equal to 10) and ((Level of Elemental Essence for (Attacking Unit)) Equal to 1)
((Random integer number between 1 and 100) Equal to 20) and ((Level of Elemental Essence for (Attacking Unit)) Equal to 2)
((Random integer number between 1 and 100) Equal to 30) and ((Level of Elemental Essence for (Attacking Unit)) Equal to 3)

sorry i dont know how to make the code in a box. But wat do u think
of the above conditions that were written in this tutorial?
it actually means 1% for all three condition because he used "equal to"
only, not equal to or greater than.
THose who praise this tutor didnt read it through. this thing has very
problematic english and while teaching, keep saying irrelevant things
and assuame his learners mostly(if not all) fools. There are far smarter
guy than you, and they contribute more to this community
than you, you know? If you teach, teach what is true and needed.
Do not assume that learners would not understand. They will ask if
they do. And you teach it wrong, what you wrote above meant 1%
for all 3 conditions. i just hate irresponsible person, especially
that person teacher.If what you contributed is wrong, you better
dont contribute at all. and here is another one:

"Actions are extremely simple. You create a dummy unit to cast chain lightning at the caster. No comments needed, here is the whole trigger (formula method)"

it should be at the "attacked unit" ,not the caster. There are countless
errors like this in his tutorial. I just couldnt post all.
If u read the whole thing, you wont
give this tutorial 5 stars. This author thinks that the more unrelated things
he talks about the more useful his tutorial will be to the users. Dead wrong.
In this kind of technical forum, people tend to need specific knowledge but
not overall thing. He wrote many thing that were already there in other
forum. He should Only write what we dont already have, and double-check
what he had written, and dont use abusive language ,or else dont write at all. Thank you.

 

[baka-ranger]

the point of writing a tutorial is to assume that the reader knows nothing thats the entire point. if you assume people know things then your gonna get alot more questions asking to explain things then if you write one thats very basic.

and your comment about having problematic english XD....

well beside the point before you go criticising ppls tutorials id like to see YOU write one of this length with no mistakes and no "problematic" english. then and ONLY THEN can you go criticising other peoples tutorials. and like you said people arent stupid theyre gonna notice the mistakes and correct them for themselves.

 

[TrueAndFast]

"Note
If you want to order an unit to cast an ability, you will need to order the unit to cast the root ability (ability based on which you made your dummy custom ability, doesn’t always have to be a dummy ability though). Let’s say that you based your ability off Neutral Hostile Anti-Magic Shell. You can order the unit to cast exactly the custom ability. However, you can order the unit to cast Undead – Banshee – Anti-Magic Shell. Through this, the action will order the unit to cast an Anti-Magic Shell. If the unit has more than one ability with the same root (Anti-Magic Shell in this case), the trigger will cast the first ability of that type which doesn’t have cooldown activated. That is why it is advised not to give an unit more than two abilities based off the same root ability, even if you base one off the Neutral Hostile and the other one off the race ability (in this case Undead)."

this statement more than warn mapmaker, it worries newbies needlessly.
if you create custom ability and cast exactly the custom you created,
nothing bad of conflicting will happen. You should tell people that other
than advise them to not base ability on same root ability.

 

[TrueAndFast]

has very
problematic english and while teaching, keep saying irrelevant things
and assuame his learners mostly(if not all) fools.

i meant his language usage. It is ok to assume that we all are newbie
to mapmaking, but very wrong to talk like we are "fool" in some other
areas. It is not like what he is teaching is some sacred knowledge(btw,
there should be no knowledge considered so sacred that the teacher
could abuse the students with bad language). It is not what he is teaching
that is the problem(wait, there is a bit), but the way how he transfer knowledge.I did not say I could write longer or better than him, because
i am a noob in mapmaking, and the fact that i am a noob in mapmaking
is exactly why
i am so frustrated that i found so many irrelevant things in this very
specific(at least i think so) topic, that waste my time very much. As a
readeri have a right to criticize any tutorial according to my exp reading
them. If you cant take it from the reader, and dont care what reader
wanted(by throwing needless things into a tutorial that is considered
specific),what is the point of wasting web resource. make all the effort
to write it proffesionally. write it as short and clear as possible, and never
repeat yourself(repeating yourself means you dont think reader would
understand what you'd already said, and that means you take them fools)
If i must be a tutorial author in this forum to criticize other author, then
i feel sorry for both of you that you will never grow up.

If you like to be treated as a fool(i meant irritatingly),read it.if you dont,
there is always a better way (like asking others).This is my way of
pointing out the wrongs. The fact that it gets 5 stars rating drive me mad.
Please reduce the stars, it is so misleading.that is the only thing i ask
of you.
Thank you.

and here is something off topic. (by now you might think im getting personal
here. It is true, because i hate to be treated as a fool by others even
though i am one. hehe)

the writer said
"I don't think people would spam by posting huge posts, but the contrary."

he dont understand spam. Those who spam do not care huge or small post.
the repeat themselve(just like the writer) a lot needlessly and irritatingly.
spammer will still spam regardless of post size.
by restricting post size, we could prevent "huge post spam", we cant
prevent small post spam, you get what i meant?(dont you get irritated if
i keep asking that if you understand or not? Thats what the writer keep
doing in his post.dont ask if people can understand or not, that makes
them look stupid IF they actually dont understand)

 

[baka-ranger]

ok ok, put it this way, im not saying you cant criticise, im saying that you shouldnt just criticise by just saying its crap it has so much irrelevance in it, just try to be more constructive in your criticism like say where it can be improved, where he can take out the irrelevant stuff, things like that.

and just because he repeats things doesnt mean that he takes you to be stupid, maybe hes trying to make a point, trying to show that whatever he repeated is important and that you should remember it. you shouldnt assume that hes takin people who read it as stupid/noobs whatever just because he repeated himself a few times.

and also do you really think that theyre just going to reduce the rating just because one person thought it was crap? even the veterens on this site like emjlr3 and jazradel thought it was good so i highly doubt that theyre gonna reduce the rating.

and if you think its so bad then why are you still reading it? go ask people on the actual forum, or teach yourself like i did.

i dunno what abusive language your talkin about im too lazy to read it.
(note that i havent read it all, ive referenced specific parts before for help but havent read the whole thing)

 

[Dino.pl]

It should be "a unit", not "an unit"...

 

[Daelin]

The fact that I repeated myself doesn't mean that I take you as fools. It's true, my english is not perfect, I am still learning. I am not an english native speaker. And the repeating... I like when people tell me the same thing multiple times with other words because that way, I can understand much better.

And mistakes... thank you for pointing some out. They are either typo mistakes or stuff forgotten because I copy-pasted those codes from the World Editor. I accidently forgot in that case to modify the Equal with Less than or equal to. I will modify the tutorial when I have some time. I never assumed that I am a smartass and that I know everything. I gave you my point of view. You don't like it? Fine! Then don't read it. I am not forcing anyone to like it. But you are in no position to judge other people's preferences and style of learning. You can't understand? Well, that's too bad for you. There's nothing I can do about it. You are being unfair if you make a tutorial a crap because you can't understand it.

Oh, and the "He should Only write what we dont already have" again makes no sense. I did not write this tutorial specifically for TheHelper. I am glad you have certain material twice or even three times. It is written by different authors, so that if persons like you can't understand from one, they can try the second and even the third.

And now I repeat myself, I NEVER assumed that the tutorial is perfect. I worked at it A LOT and I am not surprised that there are some errors here and there. I can continue to improve it, no problem.

~Daelin

 

[Sim]

This tutorial tought me so much I can't believe actually that youread this all TrueAndFast and thought about

1) ''Wrong'' English
2) Repetitive content

Did you know that one of the way to learn something is by repetition? After many times, either you like it or not you will remember it, and eventually learn it. Since in my opinion all that has been wrote in this tutorial is either true or useful into triggering (and also MANY people read this tutorial and he only got good comments) I think you completely missed the point.

If there were 6 stars available to vote for, this tutorial would be 6 stars

 

[memo333]

s

There is also another problem. We will obviously need to use a Wait for Condition, waiting until the target doesn’t have the buff anymore. But we know that after the slightest wait, (Target Unit of Ability Being Cast) is set to (No Unit). The only way to solve this problem is by keeping the target into a variable before any wait.

dont understand this part..pls be more clear...I do another code?....or in the same place?....why cant u put all the code like a pic?..more easier

 

[Sim]

Set Unit_Var = (Target unit of ability being cast)

Then you always use the variable Unit_Var instead of (Target unit of ability being cast) function.

 

[Juliano]

Really useful Daelin!!!


Many things I learned from some parts of this tutorial!


Thanks very much, now I can create better spells!!!

Goodbye

 

[martix]

Weee... You should publish a book... Its so big
And nice, real nice, I know this content by default, but reading it systematized makes you realise some things you didn't think of.

 

[_Azuri3l_]

What mean "BUMP" ? xP
BTW: i was saw this tutorial at many pages of many forums and i think u really think about all mapmakers! I can give rep but i dont now what is it i new xP

 

[EvilMinus]

This tutorial awesome. It helped me a lot, and is going to help me a lot in future too. Anyways I got a question. I hope it isn't at the wrong place.
I want to create a windwalk spell that poisons a unit if it was attacked by the windwalking hero. For this, I wanted create a dummy, that casts the poison on the attacked unit. But as you may have guessed i have got a problem I can't find a way to detect if the windwalk was ended by attacking an unit or not. Would be nice if u could help.

Btw, sry for my bad english

 

[Asehujiko]

great tutorial, i havent read the whole thing yet but i discovered an inconsistency in the channeling spell part:

Actions
Unit - Create 1 Dummy for (Owner of ApocCaster) at (Position of ApocCaster) facing 0.00 degrees
Unit - Add Banish to (Last created unit)
Unit - Order (Last created unit) to Human Blood Mage - Flame Strike ((Position of ApocCaster) offset by (Random real number between 300.00 and 600.00) towards (Random real number between 0.00 and 360.00) degrees)
Unit - Add a 3.00 second Generic expiration timer to (Last created unit)

i dont think giving a unit banish will enable it to cast flamestrike, but that could just be me

also, at some part the variable "apoccaster" or something was renamed to "armagcaster"

great tutorial otherwise

 

[ayumilove]

what does this mean?

what does this mean?

-> Make them 3 level abilities, but leave them unit abilities.
-> Change their mana cost to 0/0/0, duration to 3/3/3 (usually a high value so you can assure that the dummy unit is able to cast it only when ordered and not again unwillingly), their duration to how long the spell is supposed to affect the target and you should even change their buffs.