StarCraft II: Streaming

[Sevion]

They do, but they require accounts (separate copies of the game like I have both an EU and US version) to do so.

If you look on the scoreboards you can sometimes find players on both.

 

[Bloodcount]

am I missing something? do top-players play internationally?

How to become good: Get an acc to a shit server. Anything but EU, NA and KR will do. (even though it has been proven that you can be top 300 in NA with 6 pool, still ActionJesusz is european, so he is our trash)

Cheese like hell, I am not saying that there aren't any good players there, all I am saying is that you will meet a good player outta 10 or so and with cheese you will get a lot of points.

The ladders are international and mixed, wich means that as long as you have a lot of points you can be higher scored than TLO and WhiteRa

And when you are high ranked you get invited into teams, tournaments and can get a lot of people to watch your stream.

 

[Sevion]

I wish Blizzard made cross-regional play I want to play with you guys! And skype and shiz.

Do eet!

 

[Vestras]

How to become good: Get an acc to a shit server. Anything but EU, NA and KR will do. (even though it has been proven that you can be top 300 in NA with 6 pool, still ActionJesusz is european, so he is our trash)

Cheese like hell, I am not saying that there aren't any good players there, all I am saying is that you will meet a good player outta 10 or so and with cheese you will get a lot of points.

The ladders are international and mixed, wich means that as long as you have a lot of points you can be higher scored than TLO and WhiteRa

And when you are high ranked you get invited into teams, tournaments and can get a lot of people to watch your stream.

ActionJesuz is not trash, in fact he is a friend of mine, and he is very good at macro as well. He just knows what he can do and knows his enemies.

 

[Siretu]

How to become good: Get an acc to a shit server. Anything but EU, NA and KR will do. (even though it has been proven that you can be top 300 in NA with 6 pool, still ActionJesusz is european, so he is our trash)

Cheese like hell, I am not saying that there aren't any good players there, all I am saying is that you will meet a good player outta 10 or so and with cheese you will get a lot of points.

The ladders are international and mixed, wich means that as long as you have a lot of points you can be higher scored than TLO and WhiteRa

And when you are high ranked you get invited into teams, tournaments and can get a lot of people to watch your stream.

This doesn't really make you good. It just makes you highly ranked on one server but you still suck. It's not like teams will just look at your rank and say: You're probably good, you're invited. If they don't even look at your games before inviting you, it's a bad team.

Also, having more points than TLO and WhiteRa is going to be close to impossible since you're going to lose many of your matches which means a lot of points lost and your wins doesn't give you much.

 

[Sevion]

Sevion has idea.

Sevion uses idea.

Let's start a team

 

[s3rius]

This doesn't really make you good. It just makes you highly ranked on one server but you still suck.

Well, "good" is always relative to what you compare with.

Just because you're "good" in maths at school doesn't mean that you're actually good. Thousands and thousands of math professors and university students will still pwn you.

Sevion has idea.

Sevion uses idea.

It's super effective! Lol.

 

[Bloodcount]

ActionJesuz is not trash, in fact he is a friend of mine, and he is very good at macro as well. He just knows what he can do and knows his enemies.

I love actionjesuz. I am following his stream and so on. He is good at macro although his power shines with his rushes, because he has smart unit control. WHat made you think I dislike him ?


>It's not like teams will just look at your rank and say: You're probably good, you're invited. If they don't even look at your games before inviting you, it's a bad team.

Like you are the one to judge


Thing is that since there are no cross server battles, in the world ladder, it is the points that matter, so if u are highly ranked in a shit server, you are still highly ranked in the world ladder too. Why do you think people from china are at the top at the moment ? Because they are good? Sure, but because they don't fight, ra, tlo and sheth too P

Edit: I said trash with love.

 

[Siretu]

> Like you are the one to judge

What are you trying to say? Would you seriously consider a team that doesn't care about your actual play and just wants you because you're highly ranked on an easy server?

Don't get cocky because you got invited to that bulgarian team. What about this scenario? You want to join a team but they pick a cheeser just because he's grandmaster on SEA even though you always beat him when you play with him.

The thing is, you've mentioned several times how points doesn't matter and your position in the ladder by no means represent your actual skill. Yet you argue that if you're top in a bad region you're automatically good even if you cheesed your way there.

Also, there are not many highly ranked chinese people that come to mind and mentioning Sheth and TLO is not really the best choice. Although I love both of them and their playstyles, top chinese players would give them a decent match. There are people on EU and NA that are much better though.


@s3rius: Well then I could make an easier guide to becoming good: Lose your initial 5 placement matches, cheese your way to rank 1 in bronze and lose some of your games to make sure you stay in bronze. You're now good.


I also have to mention that I don't think Bloodcount would be able to get into grandmaster's by cheesing in an easier region even though he is top diamond.

 

[Bloodcount]

Nonononnononoon you didn't get my point from the beginning:

My point was that a player who isn't THAT good in the EU or NA servers can get an ACC to a crap server (like the china one) and get a lot of points. By getting a lot of points, on ladder he can have more points than players who are WAY better than him BUT for the ladder it would appear elsewise.

This is an issue, wich MUST be taken care of. Points do not matter for us, siretu, but when you are on the top (like top 400 players for a region, wich means grandmaster + top 1 player in every master division) Points do matter because people do look at the points as well. No team looks only at points or only at life performances- points prove consistancy more than tournaments.


>Although I love both of them and their playstyles, top chinese players would give them a decent match. There are people on EU and NA that are much better though.

Is pretty much what I am saying.

>I also have to mention that I don't think Bloodcount would be able to get into grandmaster's by cheesing in an easier region even though he is top diamond.

Top diamond/low masters what ever. I never stated that I can be a top 200, nice how you bend my words :]

But actionjesuz has proven that a mostly cheese styled play (I watch his stream) can be really effective. A few months ago there was a scandal that a zerg in NA had gotten in top 300 just by 6 pooling and quite frankly it depends on your micro.

 

[Sevion]

So basically.... If you 6 pool... Your micro skillz will be better...

I will put this in my inventory.

Anyhow, that team.

Here's the list of players ranked by skill:

1. Sevion
2. No one
3. No one
4. No one
5. No one
6. Everyone else

Amirite?

 

[Siretu]

Nonononnononoon you didn't get my point from the beginning:

My point was that a player who isn't THAT good in the EU or NA servers can get an ACC to a crap server (like the china one) and get a lot of points. By getting a lot of points, on ladder he can have more points than players who are WAY better than him BUT for the ladder it would appear elsewise.

This is an issue, wich MUST be taken care of. Points do not matter for us, siretu, but when you are on the top (like top 400 players for a region, wich means grandmaster + top 1 player in every master division) Points do matter because people do look at the points as well. No team looks only at points or only at life performances- points prove consistancy more than tournaments.


>Although I love both of them and their playstyles, top chinese players would give them a decent match. There are people on EU and NA that are much better though.

Is pretty much what I am saying.

>I also have to mention that I don't think Bloodcount would be able to get into grandmaster's by cheesing in an easier region even though he is top diamond.

Top diamond/low masters what ever. I never stated that I can be a top 200, nice how you bend my words :]

But actionjesuz has proven that a mostly cheese styled play (I watch his stream) can be really effective. A few months ago there was a scandal that a zerg in NA had gotten in top 300 just by 6 pooling and quite frankly it depends on your micro.

Well in that case we agree. I didn't argue about that point I just argued that isn't a way to become good as you stated but a way to get a high rank and I still doubt it would work.

I also agree that points do matter to some degree.

I said top diamond since you don't play in master's. In the last month you've played 3 games on your real account and you lost all of them. Your smurf's win/loss ratio is of course higher and you play regularly on it, but it is in top diamond.

You never stated that you could be top 200 but your howto guide seems to state that it would be easy to get to a place where you have more points than WhiteRa and TLO(which means grandmaster's league) and if you're not good enough to become good with your guide, that would mean you have to be about high master's or better to become good and if you're high master's or better you're most likely already good so it doesn't matter.

ActionJesuz is a good player with a hyper aggresive style(to the point of cheesing) and he's placed in a league that represents his skills. That doesn't mean that anyone can just cheese his way to grandmaster's.

 

[s3rius]

@s3rius: Well then I could make an easier guide to becoming good: Lose your initial 5 placement matches, cheese your way to rank 1 in bronze and lose some of your games to make sure you stay in bronze. You're now good.

If you name that guide "How to be really good in comparison to bronzies" yea. No one could disagree with you

We're all not professionals. Being "good" in our standards isn't the same as being good by a pro's standard.

 

[Siretu]

I think you're missing the point I am trying to make. I agree that skill is relative. I am arguing mostly about the choice of words. Switching to another server wont make you better, especially not if you just start cheesing. Possibly Bloodcount should have named it: "How to get worse while still getting a good rank"

 

[Bloodcount]

I actually agree with the above post ^_^

 

[SerraAvenger]

Just because you're "good" in maths at school doesn't mean that you're actually good. Thousands and thousands of math professors and university students will still pwn you.

Being slightly cocky right now:
You can't compare maths at school with math at university. It's like comparing "My First ABC Book" with "The Elements of Style".

 

[Slapshot136]

Amirite?

1v1 me some time, we haven't done that yet with me playing toss, have we?

 

[Whitesock]

Why the fuck are we talking about who's better, mathematics in college versus high school, and having grudge matches set up in a thread about his stream?...

 

[Sevion]

Anyhow, I totally forgot about my stream on Friday when I left for work so I was streaming my StarCraft II - Manage Game page for like 4 hours.

That seemed like it was interesting enough for my vehement viewers.

 

[Bloodcount]

lol ! Good times huh ?! I just loove misunderstandings like that.