US News States Petition to Secede from the US after Obama Reelection

[Accname]

How in the world would "the freaky thing solve any problem eh?

I dont know what "the freaky thing" is but unlike money, which has no value besides what we give it, weed has an actual use and positive effect.

 

[FireCat]

I dont know what "the freaky thing" is but unlike money, which has no value besides what we give it, weed has an actual use and positive effect.

"Freaky weed " does it sounds better? Hmm What kind of positive effect?

 

[Accname]

"Freaky weed " does it sounds better? Hmm What kind of positive effect?

Its a painkiller and is being used recreationally. It also has an relaxing effect on people.
What does money do you?

 

[FireCat]

Its a painkiller and is being used recreationally. It also has an relaxing effect on people.

But solution to the world's problems "isn't relaxing on the couches with a bit of weed?"

 

[Sim]

> No, this is called a republic. There a major and fundamental difference; there are only 538 people in the country who's say matters when it comes to who is the President.

That's how you view it, but it's still officially what the definition would state as a "democracy". If you don't believe in the democracy of your Republic, you're pretty much screwed, since all the other systems out there are worse.

On the school system in the US:

That's because of how your system works, hence the need to fix it. A good system which isn't supplied by private funding wouldn't have good schools escalate further and bad schools sink below ground. Hence, the need to fix it. And no matter how biased the chart is, it's still a system and this is still what generally happened in the US: Educated states voted for Obama and non-educated states voted for Romney. I value education highly, personally, but then again I live in a country where education is available to everyone, regardless of social standing and, most importantly, wealth. Which is far from what is happening in the United States. You blame everything on the government but if you actually gave him more power toward the education system and, again most importantly, means to lower the price of education, the country would come out elevated in the end. And there wouldn't be such imbalance between the States with good and ever-rising schools and states with poor and ever-sinking schools.

> Why would you go to college if you want to be a logger or a fisherman?

The choice is to the people, but for most of them, at least in the US, such a choice isn't given to them. Education fees are way too high and they can't afford it, hence they become fishermen, or anything else, against their own will. You say that the chart is (partially) biased, but that only further proves my point that your education system is flawed. It seems to me like you're trying to say that education yields no meaning, and that's entirely my point: education in your country has minimal meaning, and that has to be looked upon, and by no one else than the Federal government.

You said it yourself that schools and colleges are just a series of corporations, and yet you blame the Federal government for it. If your government truly was invested into your education system, as is mine and as is every other educational system in the other top countries in the world, corporations would have minimal role in the system. They would try and recruit those who are finishing and earning a diploma in the months to come.

On to your personal experience: I can't help but think you have some sort of hate toward education, which might or might not be the case. I never said that high education meant high intelligence, all I did was pinpoint to statistics that linked states votes with their education levels. Intelligence is independent of education, but along with education comes knowledge, and with knowledge comes a critical mind. There are other means to gather knowledge, but education is the most accessible to the people.

In the end though, democracy gives each person his own voice. It's up to that person to use it. I don't quite understood if you discredited your democracy or just criticized it, but I still can't manage to understand how someone with low income, low or nonexistent insurance plans, no access to proper healthcare, and living in a broken/wasted flat can vote for a right-wing party. Nothing that party does will help him, except give him easier access to guns so he can rob a bank... But then again, there is no such thing as a center-wing (or even left-wing) party in the United States, so you might just be right that your system isn't entirely democratic. But that's your choice as a sovereign country, and I can only respect that.

Anyhow, the subject at hand is the separation of Texas and other states, and I still think, for the reasons I stated in my post in page number 1, that it is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Accname]

Just to reiterate:

It solves more problems then money does.

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How in the world would "the freaky thing solve any problem eh?

But solution to the world's problems "isn't relaxing on the couches with a bit of weed?"

Can you now tell me:
1). Where i said it would be the solution to all of the worlds problems.
2). Whether your question if "the freaky thing solve any problem eh?" has been answered.
and 3). If you finally accept that "It solves more problems then money does."

Before we continue with any further discussions on the topic?

@Sim & Varine:
TLDNR.

 

[FireCat]

Can you now tell me:.

I did asked you. How would "freaky weed" solve any problem in this issue.? whatever if it's in state, world, country. Weed doesn't mean better health And Btw: Money won't solve all problems, but will solve many more problems than weed. And No I hardly get any answer from you. LOL

 

[Accname]

I did asked you. How would "freaky weed" solve any problem in this issue.? whatever if it's in state, world, country. Weed doesn't mean better health And Btw: Money won't solve all problems, but will solve many more problems than weed. And No I hardly get any answer from you. LOL

It solves great pain. That is one problem solved. If you ask how it solves any problems then your question is answered i suppose.
Money "doesnt mean better health" either. Money is not food you can live on. Money does not cure disease. Money does not help you when you are in pain. Money does not help you when you are drowning, when you are falling down a cliff, when you are freezing, etc etc etc.

There is no situation in life when money could actively help you. Its only value is the value we give to it in our head. Its an imaginery power we all agree upon. We live in this illusion because it makes life easier, and it makes trading easier.
But if you were stranded on a lonely island would you want to have money with you? Its not going to do you any good...

 

[Fatmankev]

But if you were stranded on a lonely island would you want to have money with you? Its not going to do you any good...

Stuck on a deserted island with a buttload of money, well, you've got something to use as bedding. Stuck on a deserted island with a buttload of weed, well, you got yourself a helluva vacation.

 

[FireCat]

Money "doesnt mean better health" either. Money is not food you can live on. Money does not cure disease. Money does not help you when you are in pain. Money does not help you when you are drowning, when you are falling down a cliff, when you are freezing, etc etc etc.

There is no situation in life when money could actively help you. Its only value is the value we give to it in our head. Its an imaginery power we all agree upon. We live in this illusion because it makes life easier, and it makes trading easier.
But if you were stranded on a lonely island would you want to have money with you? Its not going to do you any good...

I'm sorry but that's bullshit.. You can by food to survive, meds that can cure you. Hospitals can rescue you even though you don't pay straight away. You can help other etc...
Well, sooner or later You Will Die in the Desert Island Or going crazy. You might even imagine "salt water are bunch of weed floating around over there." Weed certainly would not be able to help you if you starve etc... Right? hehe

 

[thewrongvine]

@Sim, perhaps... education is valued too highly. Though I don't want to get in a philosophical discussion about that.

You say it's ridiculous, but I say it's quite unridiculous (anyone get that reference?). If the people or state wish to secede, they have the right. And this is nothing new, with Texas' history even from the start. For a state like Texas, this could happen, but for a lot of other states, this is honestly just a statement. Something momentous needs to happen to get people changing, even if it's all for nothing. Because most likely, nothing will happen, but the fact that people are signing these petitions in 40 states now shows that people want something done. You could argue against any act, petition, protest, etc. and they usually are pointless, but they get heard.

And about this...

>>People of the United States, you all speak the same language, worship the same God (have faith in the same religion), have mostly the same roots, the same culture, have all roughly the same geopolitical climate... in fact, you have much more in common than that.

Eh... that's exactly why these things happen, America doesn't speak the same languages, doesn't worship the same God, doesn't have the same roots, nor the same culture. Obviously there is a general division and distinction between groups of people such as in the west, south, center, east, and such but as a whole, the US is like a cesspool of people now.

Shrug.

FireCat, they're just joshing with you I'd think, ^^

 

[Accname]

I'm sorry but that's bullshit.. You can by food to survive, meds that can cure you. Hospitals can rescue you even though you don't pay straight away. You can help other etc...
Well, sooner or later You Will Die in the Desert Island Or going crazy. You might even imagine "salt water are bunch of weed floating around over there." Weed certainly would not be able to help you if you starve etc... Right? hehe

You cant buy food with money if there is nobody who would sell it to you. And even if, thats not solving any problems (to keep the topic of before).
If you gather money, lets just assume, you get millions and billions. And then? What? You will make food magically appear in front of you because you have dollars?
Food still needs to grow. "Food will not get more" just because you throw money at the farmer or on the ground. Its not going to grow faster, its not going to taste better, its not going to feed more people then before.

Money does nothing. Not actively. It has absolutely no actual use. But it is a way to bring people in motion. Its used just for trading goods. It doesnt rot and never goes bad. Thats it benefit in economics.
But if you look only at a single person, no "shops" around: Money is worthless, but weed will make your day.

 

[FireCat]

Well @thewrongvine

But if you look only at a single person, no "shops" around: Money is worthless, but weed will make your day.

Oh lol sure it would grow if you pay to the farmers. Maybe not fast, but you still would get food. But we don't live in the Stone age "Accname" Maybe you want it, then go ahead. And no it won't make my day. That's for sure !

 

[Accname]

Well @thewrongvine

Oh lol sure it would grow if you pay to the farmers. Maybe not fast, but you still would get food. But we don't live in the Stone age "Accname" Maybe you want it, then go ahead. And no it won't make my day. That's for sure !

How would it grow if you stuff it with money? Whether you have money or not, the crops grow the very same way. Nature doesnt give a f*ck about wealth.

 

[camelCase]

I read Sim's arguments and they seem pretty sound..
Then again, I'm not one for healthy debate; I'm too dumb.

 

[KaerfNomekop]

Then again, I'm not one for healthy debate; I'm too dumb.

You can share some of my popcorn.

 

[Slapshot136]

Uh. 40 states have signed a petition. But nothing will come of this.!

source?

You cant buy food with money if there is nobody who would sell it to you. And even if, thats not solving any problems (to keep the topic of before).
--> plenty of people seem to be willing to sell stuff for money.. it shouldn't be too hard, you can even get it delivered to your door if you so choose

If you gather money, lets just assume, you get millions and billions. And then? What? You will make food magically appear in front of you because you have dollars?
Food still needs to grow. "Food will not get more" just because you throw money at the farmer or on the ground. Its not going to grow faster, its not going to taste better, its not going to feed more people then before.

-->ah, and weed magically makes food grow and appear before you? the government has found ways of spending money (millions and billions of it) that increase crop production and prevent people from starving - they may not be efficient, but it's still much better than weed

Money does nothing. Not actively. It has absolutely no actual use. But it is a way to bring people in motion. Its used just for trading goods. It doesnt rot and never goes bad. Thats it benefit in economics.

-->and your point is?

But if you look only at a single person, no "shops" around: Money is worthless, but weed will make your day.

-->like I said before, there ARE plenty of shops - that isn't the issue

 

[FireCat]

source?

What part? hmm (40 states) eh?

 

[Fatmankev]

*All your responses*

His point, in its basest form, is that cannabis has inherent value, whereas money always has an assigned value. But on that note, you can use money for writing notes and I'm sure several other uses that aren't coming to mind, so it's not like it doesn't possess any inherent value... it's just much less useful in that regard, considering that anything that paper money could do could be done with hemp as well, plus much more.

 

[Slapshot136]

What part? hmm (40 states) eh?

yes - where did you get the 40 states (and which states)

His point, in its basest form, is that cannabis has inherent value, whereas money always has an assigned value.

and my point is having inherent value =/= solving major problems