Technology Swedish Left Party Wants to Legalize Piracy

[WastedSavior]

First of all, those movies are terrible examples and really don't have anything to do with the VAST majority of most movies. Second, a large portion of the movie crew makes around 30,000 dollars annually. They do the same work and get payed the same as a video game maker, why should they lose profits because of the money that other people are making in their business? Video game makers are fewer per game.

I suggested other movies that are better examples, and the same principals still applied.

Im not sure what exactly your talking about in the rest of this, maybe you could be more clear.

 

[Seb!]

What I'm trying to say is; movies shouldn't receive any less protection from piracy than video games.

 

[WastedSavior]

What I'm trying to say is; movies shouldn't receive any less protection from piracy than video games.

Maybe, i've never looked into video games on this particular subject.

There are approximately 7.5 million people playing World of Warcraft
That's about $224 million each month
or 2.6 billion a year.

WoW makes more money than some countries do each year.
For Example;
Rwanda has a yearly Gross of US$ 2.1 Billion

Maybe your right. Maybe we should pirate everything equally.

 

[U are a noob]

Maybe, i've never looked into video games on this particular subject.

There are approximately 7.5 million people playing World of Warcraft
That's about $224 million each month
or 2.6 billion a year.

WoW makes more money than some countries do each year.
For Example;
Rwanda has a yearly Gross of US$ 2.1 Billion

Maybe your right. Maybe we should pirate everything equally.

10 million players actually. You cant calculate that with out adding in all the deals that blizzard does.
Allow piracy! I want to go rob some boats.

 

[The Helper]

If Sweden was to do that watch Blizzard ban the Swiss from Battle.net and WoW. The Swiss would be a bunch of proxy people after that.

 

[hasslarn]

If Sweden was to do that watch Blizzard ban the Swiss from Battle.net and WoW. The Swiss would be a bunch of proxy people after that.

the proxy things right and i dont think blizzard will ban them for a law?

 

[enouwee]

What I'm trying to say is; movies shouldn't receive any less protection from piracy than video games.

Legalizing piracy doesn't necessarily mean allowing free downloads. Several countries considered flatrate fees (paid through the ISP subscription) as a way to compensate the authors/actors/... as well as their national MAFIAAs.

 

[Seb!]

So, in other words, they're paying it in the form of internet subscriptions anyway? Yeah, that makes more since then just legalizing downloads. But would part of the flat-rate fee go to video game makers, whose downloads were also legalized?

 

[enouwee]

But would part of the flat-rate fee go to video game makers, whose downloads were also legalized?

Easy: those won't be covered by such a "culture" flat-fee. No free Photoshop, 3DSMax or GTA4 for you. Applications/games require you to accept a license agreement as well as a unique serial number. They're protected "well enough" against pirates, by either phoning home or requiring an online account/activation.

Neither of these is possible for videos/songs without crippling them with DRM.

 

[phyrex1an]

A few things I noticed about the suggestions:

1. They note that the "media industry" (ill defined word...) have increased there profit margins since the last ten years, some parts as much as 20% in total. This is at the same time as "piracy" went from non-existing to wide spread.

2. They mention the possibility to extend the current library compensation to artists whose digital media is being shared. They also mention of hard since digital media (intellectual property) doesn't really work as other property. This shouldn't come to a surprise for anyone that knows that the law makes it perfectly clear that intellectual property isn't even close to property. For some reason they think that this is big news and this is the people who are supposed to know how stuff works...

3. They kinda include software but they key focus is on "culture".

4. They mention the current case against The Pirate Bay as an example on how legal justice is damaged when trying to apply the current laws. They also call the case farcical.

5. "The important thing is that the legalization allows file sharing networks such as BitTorrent and DC++"... For those that isn't very fluent in Swedish law: They are already allowed and have always been.

In total, I think they misses one of two key points. First is that file sharing of intellectual property is a reality that is pretty hard to remove as it is now, they got this one covered pretty well. The other one is that the parts of the "media industry" that have increased there profit the most and complain the lest about piracy is the ones that sells a service rather than a product. E.g. those industries (in lack of a better word) that existed before the current intellectual property rights: Theatres, concerts, ect.

Now over to the answer:
1. They describe the current law as ineffective, both in reality and in theory. This is coming from the same people that supported the change in law 3 years ago.

2. They pretty much draws an equality mark (though, I don't get how they came to that conclusions) between privacy and piracy.

My general opinion is that this is about five years to late to have any effect in either way.

 

[Merowlin]

We have had this discussion in sweden for quite some years now, and why should they consider to outlaw something that the general populations wants.

Actually, RIAA's "secret office" (aka. Antipiratbyrån), is only causing more damage to our countrys economy than doing benefit. Sure, I believe RIAA see nothing wrong with using our money for their own benefit (aka. Producers). But then again, we all remember what a fiasco the raid on piratebay was. (gullible idiots I say).

 

[Zakyath]

I don't know how it is in your countries, but in Sweden you can borrow CDs at most librarys. that should be enough. damn, you can't say you're too poor to buy a CD if you can afford a computer and internet connection good enough to download the music...

 

[sqrage]

I don't know how it is in your countries, but in Sweden you can borrow CDs at most librarys. that should be enough. damn, you can't say you're too poor to buy a CD if you can afford a computer and internet connection good enough to download the music...

If I have about 1,500 songs on my iPod, that's about $1500 worth of music. Probably more with taxes and whatnot.

Most of these bands aren't mainstream so their CDs aren't widely available. Therefore if it wasn't for me being able to easily download their music, listen to them, and end up love their music, I would never go to their concert and give them support.

I know it's not only me who has been in the same exact situation with many of the bands they love.

And if it wasn't for downloading music, I wouldn't be buying CDs anyway, so really the bands aren't hurt (as with the majority of people who download music).

[For legal clearance, this post is hypothetical and I myself do not download music, or anything illegal for that matter. ]

 

[Lord_Phoenix]

Music - If you really like a band you'll probably want to go to a live concert, and lemme tell you.. that isn't chump change. They make more in 2 hours then you'll make in a year of working.

Ummm... your kidding me. Even the best payed musician makes less than the normal Baseball player. Music is rarely used beyond a means of entertainment for people, while for the people who play music really get a lot more out of it. Orchestral musicians and the orchestras themselves are having problems making ends meet because of piracy and lack of audience. As a classical musician myself I am always mixed about pirating ANY music illegally. I only pirate music that I can't find any way else or without paying over 100$, such as the Cowboy Beebop OST, or some of the older Porcupine Tree albums which are only out in Europe.

 

[EatShrooms]

Music - If you really like a band you'll probably want to go to a live concert, and lemme tell you.. that isn't chump change. They make more in 2 hours then you'll make in a year of working.

Bahahaha

I'm sure that's the same for the underground bands.

 

[WastedSavior]

Ummm... your kidding me. Even the best payed musician makes less than the normal Baseball player. Music is rarely used beyond a means of entertainment for people, while for the people who play music really get a lot more out of it. Orchestral musicians and the orchestras themselves are having problems making ends meet because of piracy and lack of audience. As a classical musician myself I am always mixed about pirating ANY music illegally. I only pirate music that I can't find any way else or without paying over 100$, such as the Cowboy Beebop OST, or some of the older Porcupine Tree albums which are only out in Europe.

I seriously doubt piracy has much, if anything, to do with the lack of interest in live orchestra...

Bahahaha

I'm sure that's the same for the underground bands.

Oh yah, like its common practice for underground bands to be pirated.
They're underground for a reason, if everyone was pirating their music.. they'd probably be mainstream.

 

[EatShrooms]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BELOW_THE_HEAVENS

It's popular solely cause people pirated it.

 

[WastedSavior]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BELOW_THE_HEAVENS

It's popular solely cause people pirated it.

I don't really think you can say it's been pirated if they let you download their music for free.

I can see your point, but i don't think it's a common occurrence.

 

[EatShrooms]

When was it free?

Regardless, underground music is pirated often as some people are stubborn and like to listen to just the underground. There are many of these.

 

[WastedSavior]

When was it free?

Regardless, underground music is pirated often as some people are stubborn and like to listen to just the underground. There are many of these.

If you go to either exiles or duo's myspace they let you download half their songs for free.