The Internet is Going Down Hill

[Oninuva]

With all this out sourcing going on, the Internet is going down hill. Soon we will have to move on to the NEW internet where new beginnings are made!

/discuss outsourcing and cutting jobs / costs? :thup:? :thdown:?

 

[Ghan]

Assuming that this is a serious topic....

- How much effect does outsourcing have on the internet, anyway?
- I have no particular feelings on outsourcing one way or the other - businesses are perfectly free to move their operations to whatever location they wish.

 

[Oninuva]

Sorry, I meant this mainly towards webdesigner/programmers. A couple years ago, you could see logos going for 100$+ as a freelance, today? 3$-5$ tops.

 

[DDRtists]

My teacher in my IT Course at College, who is 64 and has been doing this for like 40+ years, was talking about this whole situation at school today.
Complete BS, why am I going to have to pay via taxes for a company thats already making bank anyways, to train new workers in CHINA to work for them cheaper than here in the US, and take away jobs to US citizens? Screw that, thats total bullshit...

By all means, if the company wants to move overseas and train foreign workers to work for them cheaper, go for it. But there is absolutely no reason for US citizens to be paying taxes for them to do so, thats their job...

 

[Darthfett]

Sorry, I meant this mainly towards webdesigner/programmers. A couple years ago, you could see logos going for 100$+ as a freelance, today? 3$-5$ tops.

Just had a friend pay $200 to get his logo designed.

Soon we will have to move on to the NEW internet where new beginnings are made!

A... new internet? What are you talking about, and what does outsourcing have to do with the internet "going downhill"?

Complete BS, why am I going to have to pay via taxes for a company thats already making bank anyways, to train new workers in CHINA to work for them cheaper than here in the US, and take away jobs to US citizens? Screw that, thats total bullshit...

What taxes do we pay that goes straight to companies?

 

[DDRtists]

What taxes do we pay that goes straight to companies?

Nothing right now, but some board in the US government is trying to get money from taxes to do so, claiming it makes things we buy and use cheaper for us.

I may be a bit off on this, but from what I understand, thats whats going on.

 

[sqrage]

I doubt that will pass DDR. Rather, from what I hear, there are taxes being implemented that US businesses will have to pay if they outsource jobs that could be had by Americans.

 

[DDRtists]

I doubt that will pass DDR. Rather, from what I hear, there are taxes being implemented that US businesses will have to pay if they outsource jobs that could be had by Americans.

I doubt it would either, that would be stupid.
Ah, thats more understandable. Lol

 

[Hatebreeder]

I doubt that will pass DDR. Rather, from what I hear, there are taxes being implemented that US businesses will have to pay if they outsource jobs that could be had by Americans.

Wait a second, does that mean, being a non-american and working in america automatically results as outsourcing?

 

[Oninuva]

Just had a friend pay $200 to get his logo designed.



A... new internet? What are you talking about, and what does outsourcing have to do with the internet "going downhill"?

Well he was having an open design contest, he can offer as much as he want's but if you take a look at popular internet freelance market places, almost all the people that get work are designing logo's for 3$-5$, sure they may not be top quality but people look for cheap & quantity.

.. And most of them being from India. While they make a living off of it, there's just no way someone in America could make a living off 3$ a logo, even if say, you get a new job everytime you finish one.

 

[DDRtists]

Wait a second, does that mean, being a non-american and working in america automatically results as outsourcing?

No, I think it means that American businesses that outsource to other countries for cheaper labor have to pay for taxes to do so.

 

[Darthfett]

Well he was having an open design contest, he can offer as much as he want's but if you take a look at popular internet freelance market places, almost all the people that get work are designing logo's for 3$-5$, sure they may not be top quality but people look for cheap & quantity.

.. And most of them being from India. While they make a living off of it, there's just no way someone in America could make a living off 3$ a logo, even if say, you get a new job everytime you finish one.

If you're doing logos in your spare time with no real inspiration, and you're mass producing them, then sure they should only be worth $3-$5. I saw about 15 logos that were entered into that contest that looked mass-produced. None of them won.

A business that's actually serious about what logo it's going to use is going to pay large sums of money for a REAL logo, from a company or free-lance that has a large list of good things done. They're also going to give them the time to make something of good quality.

 

[Genkora]

I agree with Darthfett. Companies want good looking logos from people with good histories of their stuff. I also don't understand what you mean by mass produced because why would anyone want to be able to mass produce logos? You only need one, cheap and quantity doesn't really make sense in this case.

 

[FireCat]

You only need one

But how many companies is out there? Not Just one

cheap and quantity doesn't really make sense in this case.

Oh, I think it makes some sense. If a person doing a logo cheap but good. Well, Of course you would choose the cheapest.

 

[Flare]

Well, Of course you would choose the cheapest.

Would the creator of a good quality logo want to get only $3 - $5 for the logo? Lowering your price, so that is it cheaper than competitors would be one thing, but dropping the price to near-zero is another thing altogether.

 

[FireCat]

but dropping the price to near-zero is another thing altogether.

Sure. But it's 2010 now and alot of people can make a logo and some do it for fun, not Just for the $.