Sci/Tech Your phone is blabbing your location to anyone who will listen

KMilz

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why don't you start with telling us why this IS an issue. there isn't much to argue against as of now.

your principles? what principles? and you can't compare a company tracking your phone with a company putting cameras in your house.
It's an invasion of our privacy for the sole purpose of them making money. If there were a more benign purpose behind it then it might be alright, but I don't like them doing it to try to weasel more money out of me.
 

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but most people really don't care. so for most people, there really is no problem. what you do and do not like is obviously not representative of.. well, anyone but you. and by the way, you didn't even have a smartphone, right? so you have a problem with other people not having a problem with something that does not concern you?
 

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why don't you start with telling us why this IS an issue. there isn't much to argue against as of now.
My third post already reveals why this IS an issue. If you allow this then you face something more invasive in the future. You have to draw the line somewhere or else it will snowball uncontrollably to the point where you can't do anything about it.
If this it not a valid argument to why surveillance has to be kept in check I don't know what is.

So demount your horse and tell us why monitoring our every move is acceptable.

your principles? what principles? and you can't compare a company tracking your phone with a company putting cameras in your house.
What principles? Really?
How about: why do I have to, against my will, be traced whenever I go somewhere. Who is entitled to watch my every step?
If it was a choice then fine. But I don't have a choice. Some company is just tracking me without my say on the matter. How can you accept that?

Furthermore.
The company which tracks my phone could just as well be a company that set up cameras in my home.
The latter is simply a possibility, not a given, if you keep allowing companies (or the government for that matter) to look over your shoulder no matter what you do.
Again, how can you accept that?
 

KMilz

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so you have a problem with other people not having a problem with something that does not concern you?
You asked for a reason why it's an issue and I gave you one. I didn't say I had a problem with your views, I was just explaining mine. Don't be dumb.
 

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You have to draw the line somewhere or else it will snowball uncontrollably to the point where you can't do anything about it.
They're not near the line yet.
 

Zakyath

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My third post already reveals why this IS an issue. If you allow this then you face something more invasive in the future. You have to draw the line somewhere or else it will snowball uncontrollably to the point where you can't do anything about it.
If this it not a valid argument to why surveillance has to be kept in check I don't know what is.
That's highly speculative, and you have no evidence which suggests it.

So demount your horse and tell us why monitoring our every move is acceptable.
It's acceptable because it has no real effect on our lives. Unless you get all paranoid.

What principles? Really?
How about: why do I have to, against my will, be traced whenever I go somewhere. Who is entitled to watch my every step?
If it was a choice then fine. But I don't have a choice. Some company is just tracking me without my say on the matter. How can you accept that?
just leave your phone at home. get one that doesn't broadcast your location.

Furthermore.
The company which tracks my phone could just as well be a company that set up cameras in my home.
The latter is simply a possibility, not a given, if you keep allowing companies (or the government for that matter) to look over your shoulder no matter what you do.
Again, how can you accept that?
now you're getting speculative again. obviously people are okay with someone (most of the time, no specific person) tracking their movement, since, well, people are still using smartphones and aren't making a fuzz. but how can you seriously think the general population would be ok with cameras in their private homes?
 

Zakyath

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You asked for a reason why it's an issue and I gave you one. I didn't say I had a problem with your views, I was just explaining mine. Don't be dumb.
but the only "issue" you could present was their greedy purposes. so, in absence of any other arguments, I guess you'd concede that the real effects on one's life are minimal to none?
 

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Well, there's always the issue that someone might intercept the tracked information and use it to impersonate you. Isn't that why we're suggested to turn off automatic location broadcasting on Facebook etc.? (Evidently it's not enough, but still.)
 

KMilz

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but the only "issue" you could present was their greedy purposes. so, in absence of any other arguments, I guess you'd concede that the real effects on one's life are minimal to none?
I'd say moderate to none, depending on the person. I don't like people I don't know knowing about the things I do, where I go and what I like, and then using that information to take advantage of me. The resultant fiscal and psychological impact could be significant at times to some people. For me, it'd be fairly minimal, but it does bother me a bit every time I think about it, probably why I feel like I need to explain how I feel about it.
 

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That's your opinion.
Personally I think they are already way over the line.
No point arguing about opinions, then ;)

Also, if I could profit from tracking because I had the capital and hardware and whatnot, I would. So, I can understand where these guys are coming from.
 

KMilz

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Also, if I could profit from tracking because I had the capital and hardware and whatnot, I would. So, I can understand where these guys are coming from.
Totally. I'm not saying they're bad people because it's the same thing that almost anyone else would do in this day and age given the opportunity. I just wouldn't want to be the target of it, I don't like the sound of it.
 

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Necromancy power activated - this is still an issue and is not discussed enough in mainstream media. Facebook recently turned off its location tracking parts of Facebook as it was starting to get people thinking about what the hell is my phone actually tracking on me. Location is definitely it especially on any Android phone.
 
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