Zealot Frenzy

[Whitesock]

I don't know about you guys, but I have been hopelessly addicted to footman frenzy ever since tomes were removed from the early wc3 versions. Now I know this isn't a very balanced map, but I find that if you play your cards right you can have some fun games and up your win % quite a bit. Anyone else here play it a lot like me?

I might be the only one here, but it never hurts asking. It's one of those guilty pleasures of mine

 

[INCINERATE]

any reason to why you think its lacking balance?

 

[Whitesock]

The sentry hero's ultimate, the golem's stun, the infestor's perma disable, need I go on?

In either case, balancing a map like that is near impossible, which is why I always approach it in a non serious manner.

 

[INCINERATE]

and whats your opinions of footmen frenzy on war3 (balanced??) , golems stun is a much weaker version of tcs warstomp, Infestors Banish is a weaker version of bloodmages banish (if you refering to perma stun from ultimate) are you forgetting dino'dins own from war3? mass jamies stun lock is what the ability is based off....It was EVEN better on war3 footies cause it lasted longer on higher levels. AND by the way its Dispellable..... , Sentrys ultimate is the only one i would agree with, but the hero in general is balanced cause serebii is a complete glass cannon.

 

[Whitesock]

I find both versions unbalanced, though i do agree the balance in sc2 is better.

Like i said, i doubt it's really possible to actually balance. Also, I find that how the player plays factors in quite a bit.

 

[INCINERATE]

you might be wondering why i ask, cause im the creator

well im glad you understand the great difficulty a map like this is to balance. I have big plans coming for it soon

 

[Whitesock]

Wow, I didn't even realize! I find it insanely addicting though. I got snowed in today and I've played maybe like 15 games.

Buff siege tank hp for me please (the mercs, not the skill one)!

And if you ever need some new icons or skins just hit me up. That's what I'm here for.

 

[YourFace]

I played v5.4. Fun game without any afkers or beginners on your team

 

[INCINERATE]

Wow, I didn't even realize! I find it insanely addicting though. I got snowed in today and I've played maybe like 15 games.

Buff siege tank hp for me please (the mercs, not the skill one)!

And if you ever need some new icons or skins just hit me up. That's what I'm here for.

yea sure, ill give it an extra 100 hp or something .
Also try the action jackson instead ( the tank is the long range defense merc, while jackson is the long range offensive merc)

 

[Whitesock]

Well I was trying a mass tank build, but I found even with dropships, a hero can take out a normal tank pretty damn fast, usually before they can even unsiege and get loaded onto the ship.

 

[Slapshot136]

i tried it, I think siege tanks are fine the way they are (they were never meant to be massed)

the like zerg with the long range stun + infestors for ultimate - those infestors EACH have their own 1.5 second stun, so like his long range 3 sec stun + 3 more seconds from those summons = long enough to kill anyone, but that person's tentacle ability - it sucks as it is since it pretty much stuns yourself

then I also played a game as nova (ghost) - she sucks compared to the normal ghost, her "stun" barely stuns, and the movement isn't really too useful, the clones are OK, but her other spells seem useless to the point where I don't even remember them

I don't really like the idea of upgrades that go away once you upgrade to better units, maybe some system where you still get the old spawn + you get a new one when you upgrade would make it better, or maybe race upgrades (like bonuses for zerg on creep that you can upgrade, or shields for protons, repair drones for terran, something like that - the "damage" and "armor" upgrades are OK but kinda bland by themselves)

and you should give a small bonus for "controlling" the center (as in if your team is the only one in the center (small radius near the center shop)), like 1 mineral for every second or something like that

and the range on the shops is so small! I can't even use all 4 shops (that are right next to each other) without moving between them - wtf?

 

[Whitesock]

I actually like nova quite a bit. Her style is wholly dependent on creating an army from nothing. She could be buffed of course, but I do indeed like the premise of the hero.

 

[Slapshot136]

ah, now I remember - my main issue was that her 2 other spells do the same thing pretty much - they both capture enemy units (although the ulti has a small AOE.. it's still nowhere near as game-changing as an ultimate should be)

 

[Whitesock]

I feel like the ultimate gets more useful as time goes on. What I would change however is her energy-bomb thing. It doesn't really fit with the style of play that you need to have with her.

 

[INCINERATE]

thanks for some feedback.
About the upgrades for each tier, i went that way, cause it makes units feel more unique . ( i plan to bring in more tiers eventually, i just need the models! ) these tiers will be like how our footies on war3 own is . So its like a sc2 vrs war3 lol.

About nova = ill buff her, But i must say, you guys should check out mass charm late game . Its really strong. The pulse magnet was aimed mostly to be an AOE mana drain to all . Ill buff it a bit ( im currently sending all heroes to have level 6 abilities (almost done)

Nova is pretty good, check a real game situation here
-You have no army, you do your images (they all do damage), then you dominate a unit (that dominated unit gets quite strong), then you mass charm a group of units. So as whitesock said, you basically have an entire army right there from nothing. A good skill build for her is to max domination and mirror image first with every point put into charm ASAP.

@slapshot, nova doesnt have a stun ,. Basically i designed pulse magnet like this ( you drain the energy from heroes or mercs, OR you do that pulse magnet first then do mass charm on top of it because units get squeezed in tightly , Your AOE charm can now get more units in it thanks to the magnet. That was the aim of it ( to also combo with the ultimate) Ill buff the sucking/energy draining power of it

quote [and the range on the shops is so small! I can't even use all 4 shops (that are right next to each other) without moving between them - wtf?]

Its like this at the base shops because im trying to prevent enemy heroes from buying stuff at your own shop ( i have cool-downs specifically tailored for each team, you will notice that no enemy hero can enter your shop area) If the range is increased, The enemy heroes can steal your ultimate claws item for e.g, and then you will have to wait really long for the cooldown.







What i have coming soon?
-All heroes getting 6 levels of standard abilities ( cant max them all anymore, so you got to decided which levels go to 6 .That encourages strategy cause hero level cap is staying at 18)
-A hitpoint upgrade for all your troops ( to fare better against increased damage of abilities)
-a new item( sceptor of destruction) Basically the late game version of the sceptor. Costs 1500 and channels for 3 seconds before releasing.
-Revamping the hero bounty . Depends on level of hero on death (higher level heroes will give more mineral bounty than lower level heroes)

 

[Ninja_sheep]

Since you're here:
The only thing that annoys me is that you can't see the shops without having a hero near them.
I know it's sc2 mechanics but if you could find a work around that would be great.

Really nice map

 

[Slapshot136]

I haven't used the sc2 editor much, but in wc3 it would be rather simple to prevent unwanted heroes from using the shops just by hiding them via a visibility blocker and giving the "proper" team visibility there, can't you just do something like that?

also another thing that has been bothering me - if you leave autohealing on a medic, and tell it to hold position, it won't hold its position - it will chase after injured units

 

[INCINERATE]

hey whitesock , i was wondering if you could convert this icon to sc2 .dds , i have a new ability im putting in called blood Rain and this icon would be cool for it . the btn version alone is adquate

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/icons-541/btnbleed-116904/?prev=search=blood&d=list&r=20

 

[Whitesock]

Once I find a good .dds converter I can convert it, unless you want me to just make a new icon which I could do as well (and make it better quality too I might add ).