Obama Healthcare plain and simple.

[NoxMortus]

You think there arnt people out there that care for those types of people privately and without government help?

No, but if everyone were to live by rugged individualism in an ultra-capitalist society ...

 

[ElderKingpin]

but we dont.

It might be hard to believe, but America has people that care.

 

[NoxMortus]

but we dont.

It might be hard to believe, but America has people that care.

Yes, it was a hypothetical question posed to a person who said 'why give someone something for free... you get what you work for...'

But on the point, are you really comfortable in trusting welfare of americans in the discretion of a few, unelected civilians?

 

[ElderKingpin]

yes. because id rather be cared for by people that actually care then people given money by the government.

When people work for charities, its because they WANT to.

 

[Azlier]

I've come to the conclusion that universal healthcare is just another horrible patch to "fix" mistakes by the part of the government on actually deciding to use a monetary system.

 

[NoxMortus]

I've come to the conclusion that universal healthcare is just another horrible patch to "fix" mistakes by the part of the government on actually deciding to use a monetary system.

For a 'horrible patch' it sure works very, very well.

 

[Azlier]

It has pros and cons. A truly good system should only have pros.

 

[sqrage]

It has pros and cons. A truly good system should only have pros.

No, we're not talking fiction here, we're talking things that should actually go into affect.

 

[Azlier]

But it should go into effect. But with humans being such nasty little creatures, it can't.

 

[Whitesock]

I feel like if we implement universal healthcare there will be a huge rise in corruption, and we all know we have too much of that already. :thdown:

 

[hi_im_bob]

While I agree that the US spends absurd amounts on healthcare and obviously reform is needed, you can find reports that show how good universal healthcare is and how bad it is as well, so NoxMortus stop pretending like their is some type of world wide agreement on the idea that universal healthcare is the best and perfect way to go.

As much as people like to point to exceptions I am talking about the rule. Look at medicare in America, 60 Billion wasted in fraud (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/23/60minutes/main5414390.shtml) while its something I cant use, I can only pay to help but will never get benefits from (redistribution of wealth? am i in communist russia or something?). Some what similar to social security, benefits that I always pay for, but I will never actual be able to use. So once our socialist system is passed it will be another fraud corrupted govt bureau that I will never ever get help from, but will be paying for till the day I die, yeah that sounds like a great idea has worked so well in the past.

 

[NoxMortus]

NoxMortus stop pretending like their is some type of world wide agreement on the idea that universal healthcare is the best and perfect way to go.

You can deny the facts all you want, but the statistics show that all the top countries for healthcare have some kind of universal healthcare.

The U.S is joined only by third-world or developing countries in denying their citizens healthcare.

It is really ironic that US taxes are paying for universal healthcare in Iraq and Afghanistan, while back home millions of americans are suffering without insurance.

 

[BlowingKush]

Obama Healthcare. Done. 3/21/2010


Consider this punishment for that Sarah Palin bullshit the GOP tried to shove down the throats of rational Americans.

 

[Ninva]

Victory.

 

[Whitesock]

Hello government corruption and a lack of decent healthcare to everyone.

"Victory"...wait...

 

[ReVolver]

Socialism +1 Capitalism -1

 

[Samuraid]

Consider this punishment...

Oh, it's punishment alright. You couldn't have picked a more apropos word to describe it. :thup:

 

[hi_im_bob]

Socialism +1 Capitalism -1

Amen brother.

its funny because the only state that has universal healthcare (MA) which I live in has the highest premiums in the country and the treasure of the state has been warning the state (and more recently the federal government) that universal healthcare is actually driving the state towards bankruptcy so I guess it is a victory if bankruptcy is the goal?

thanks for trying to ruin the country its people like you which is why were all fucked

 

[ElderKingpin]

this is not good, it would seem like the gears have begun to turn in America's transforming into a socialism.

Screw you apathy T_T

 

[MasterOfABCs]

I'd like to point out that health care reform, especially now that it's gained a ton of momentum, is really unimportant when compared to other problems.

And, though some of you here would like to think it marks the end of capitalism, I would like to reassure you that it's going to take more than public health care to finish of an age old economic structure.

What I think Americans, such my self, should be more concerned with is UNEMPLOYMENT.

Regardless of what exact percent unemployment is at currently, most Americans can agree that it is too high.

Couple this with a bloated military budget and a need for decreased government spending and you've got quite the conundrum.

Government spending currently, and for the past decade or so, has been pretty ridiculous.

I understand that deficit spending can be beneficial, but at some point we've got to actually be able to pay for both Universal Healthcare and Social Security.

If its going to take some budget cuts to establish universal health care, the cuts will more than likely come from the military budget.

A cut in military budget can, but doesn't necessarily, mean that our troops get to come home. And, while I, along with most people, would agree that the troops coming home is awesome. All of the troops will be jobless.

Summarily, As a result of universal health care, we may be seeing a massive peak in unemployment over the next months.