All In - Brutal Campaign

[Romek]

I'm reaching the end of the Brutal Campaign (It's not as hard as people make it out to be. With the exception of a few missions.), and have been wondering which of the two versions of 'All In' I should attempt: vs Air or vs Nydus Worms.

I haven't researched either of the final Zerg researches yet, and I'll research whichever corresponds to the mission I pick.
I also haven't researched Planetary Fortress/Flame Turret yet, as they haven't been needed thus far in the game.

Which version of the mission is easier? And based on that, which two researches should I get? Reasons rather than just answers would be appreciated.

 

[Siretu]

Personally, I hate mutalisks. So I picked the nydus worms. My friend did the air version on brutal and had the hive mind emulator(the mind control tower) and built lots of them and mindcontrolled an army of mutalisks and won.

I don't know about the research. Flame turrets could be good to have.

If you go for nydus worms, you should probably mass banshees to take out the nydus worms outside your base.

 

[Romek]

Which would you say was the easier win?

 

[2-P]

Nydus Worms are a lot easier, just mass Banshees (preferably with the upgrade that halves the mana drain of Cloak) and Siege Tanks.
Flame Turrets are pretty helpful in the last level, I spammed them around the artifact.

Brood Lords are a real pain if you go air, you need to have Vikings everywhere at once if they attack. I had more problems on hard+air than on brutal+ground.

 

[Monsterous]

If you have the Hive Mind Emulator, go air.
If not, go nydus. Make like 12 banshees and keep replacing them as they die. Bunker up the walls and siege tank the entrances. Keep SCVS repairing :3#

Alternatively, use Planetary Fortresses as walls. They're very effective :3

 

[Romek]

Nydus Worms are a lot easier, just mass Banshees (preferably with the upgrade that halves the mana drain of Cloak) and Siege Tanks.
Flame Turrets are pretty helpful in the last level, I spammed them around the artifact.

Brood Lords are a real pain if you go air, you need to have Vikings everywhere at once if they attack. I had more problems on hard+air than on brutal+ground.

Ok, thanks. Can't you just mind-control the Brood Lords though, so they don't become quite as much of a problem?

If you have the Hive Mind Emulator, go air.
If not, go nydus. Make like 12 banshees and keep replacing them as they die. Bunker up the walls and siege tank the entrances. Keep SCVS repairing :3#

Alternatively, use Planetary Fortresses as walls. They're very effective :3

I wasn't asking for a strategy, but rather on which of the two versions of the mission I should attempt. I don't have either of the final Zerg Researches at this point in time.

 

[Arkless]

Save your game before researching and load it if you don't like it (someone told me that was the best way, never tried it myself).

 

[Ninja_sheep]

Btw wich is more difficult: Wc3 campaign on hard or SC2 on brutal?

 

[Romek]

> Save your game before researching and load it if you don't like it (someone told me that was the best way, never tried it myself).
I might just do that.

> Btw wich is more difficult: Wc3 campaign on hard or SC2 on brutal?
SC2 on Brutal.

 

[Romek]

I tried air first, and am able to get it to about 97% before dying. It feels like such a waste of time.

Mass Mind Control seems to work very well.

Edit: Did it first try with the Nydus worms. That version is on a completely different league to the Air one. It's much, much easier.

 

[BANANAMAN]

The Hivemind emulator is good But i prefer the Psi disruptor since it slows down Kerrigan and any other zerg.

Also:Mass reapers and use their cluster bombs every chance you get on the out break mission.Not only is it fun but it makes the mission really really easy.

 

[Ninja_sheep]

Don't mind me just hijacking this thread.

Today I did the 'shatter the sky' (second to last mission against air) mission with mindcontrol. Just built 10 hive mind emulators in base and mindcontroll everything that comes along and meanwile built an army until all minerals used. Then just walk from one base to another. Was extremly easy that way :>

Then I reached the last mission (everything on brutal btw) against nyodus worms and now I have a pretty bad set up for this mission.

-No psi disrupters
-No banshee upgrades
-No research for more specialist energy (for banshees)

Just kinda mad because I saw this video of youtube of a guy beating the mission with mass tanks and psi disrupters without even using a wall or bothering to kill the nyodus worms (except with nova). And not especially good micro or macro :banghead:

What the heck do I do?


edit:
I just realised how stupid it must seem to come in this thread full of advice on how to beat all this stuff and me having ignored pretty much all of it.
In my defense I only skimmed over the thread two months ago because, unless absolutly necessary, I try to beat everything without help :>

editedit:
Nevermind, after six more attempts I finally got it :<

 

[N(O.O)B]

Based on my experience the air mission is ridiculously harder; I first tried to do it with air and, after 7 bloody attempts, I got to 98.6%. There are massive air attacks constantly barraging your base from all sides; Nydus worms are replaced by drop pods which are arguably even more annoying and, to top it all off, the nice "Leviathan" drops in at around 75%. The only reason I got even close to that far was because I mind controlled a load of ridiculously strong brood lords to fend of the still-strong ground forces. I got overwhelmed so often the artifact was never not on cooldown.

Then I reloaded the save where you pick the mission (it saves this automatically before any choice; so no worries) and did the ground mission. I finished it in one go without them ever penetrating my defenses (aside from Kerrigan destroying a couple of bunkers/turrets, which is inevitable) and the artifact used once. The difference was astounding. In my opinion you're not just picking between modes; you're picking between difficulty levels, that's how far apart they are. The leviathan coming is really just overkill; it'd be a shitload more difficult even without it.

 

[BANANAMAN]

Did you get the missile turret and the BC upgrade that lets them fire a shitload of missiles? I found those extremely helpful vs the masses of air if you have a large group of BC's. And you can also spam yamatos at kerrigan and the Leviathan as an added bonus. Vikings and banshees can also help stem the tide.