Rage and Cataclysm

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Warriors have long had a problem with rage and it’s been a problem for many people, especially the lower level players. Playing as a low level warrior or druid, you have problems generating enough rage to DPS or worse, to tank. A warrior or druid tanking low level instances have always had aggro problems on multiple mobs more than say a paladin tank. These changes are very nice for any warrior player and hopefully they will work out well.

We are going to take the opportunity in Cataclysm to try and fix some of the problems with the Rage mechanic for both warriors and druids. Some of these problems include:

* Warriors/druids in the lowest levels of gear can be Rage-starved.
* Warriors/druids in the highest levels of gear no longer have to manage their Rage when it becomes infinite.
* Warrior/druid tanks lose Rage income as they improve their gear and take less damage.
* The gameplay of warrior and druid tanks loses a lot of depth when massive boss hits means never having to manage Rage.
* Heroic Strike and Maul are effective, but tedious abilities for using up extra Rage.
* In general, warriors and druids don’t have enough control over their Rage.

To resolve these issues, Rage will be normalized in Cataclysm. This will make the Rage gained by characters more consistent and avoid drastic differences between low-end and high-end gear.

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well that is good isn't it, no more warriors waiting for 20 rage to thunderclap in deadmines :thup:
 

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I still want my Devastate/HStrike macro! Crazy threat.

Blizz better make sure Wars are top single target threat.
 

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DK's are Taunt happy. Never have I been tanking and the DK tank not taunt. Constantly.
 

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Howling Blast hits pretty hard too.
 

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It's well known that warriors have the lower end of the shaft in terms of tanking :) Almost as bad as druids with DKs and Paladins pretty close but Paladin just behind DK in single target and around the same with AoE. xD
 

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Warriors have block which makes them better AoE tanks for things such as trash, heroics, etc. Warriors take almost no damage in heroics compared to DKs who require healing due to not having block.

DKs have a higher dodge / parry, single target threat, and generally better raid tanks with more utility such as self healing, higher dps & threat, and better cooldowns.

When you look at a recount from a raid, a DK tank usually pulls 20% more DPS than the warrior tank and takes around 15% less damage too (assuming they both use cooldowns to avoid damage, such as AMS, Shield Wall, IBF, etc).

While a DK will take harder hits from bosses such as Festergut compared to a Warrior, healers will generally have to adapt to healing. While the dodge debuff in Icecrown does hit DKs a bit harder than compared to other classes, they are still pretty good tanks. Overall all tanks are viable in Icecrown but in terms of hardmode tanking it goes; Paladin > Death Knight > Warrior/Druid. Paladin due to the second life, DKs for cooldown tank, and Druids have a bit more health pool which is nice but lack of parry/block has them getting hit hard. Warriors aren't too far behind a DK and Paladin as 3.3 but still lack compared to other tanks.

lol, im crazy :pP
 

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Have you HEALED in ICC?
DK Tanks take so much more.....
In all my experiences...
Pally > War/Druid > DK > Mage
 

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Yeah I heal and tank ICC, but then again I heal on a holy paladin and just hit holy light all fight so that might be why, the reason you feel they are getting rocked is because they avoid a couple hits then get hit harder than a warrior or paladin would, where a DK is not taking constant damage, a warrior and paladin is
 
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