Stealing from one person is called Plagiarism, stealing from many is called Research

[13lade619]

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Stealing from one person is called Plagiarism, stealing from many is called Research

I first heard it from a friend, seriously.. well onto the debate.

Do you consider this statement truthful? Does it make sense?, etc.

Discuss.

 

[CatCat]

But isn't it true that new ideas arise from the foundation of previous ideas? Creativity is usually the collaboration of multiple ideas to create something new.
I think this debate is going to be about copyright, patenting of ideas etc(since you used the word plagiarism). So I want to ask what you mean by "stealing from many" How can a group own an "idea", isn't ownership/copyright usually excluded to one individual/entity?

With that being said, I found a very interesting video on TED regarding copyright and plagiarism here

 

[sqrage]

Research isn't stealing from people... it's research. You don't pass off their information and findings as your own when you do research, if you do then you've been doing it wrong all these years.

When you do research you look for previous findings or opinions on a subject, cite them and then write your own analysis or inferences based on what other people have concluded or written.

I'll be closing this if you don't have a good rebuttal because right now it just seems like you're misunderstanding the words "research" and "plagiarism".

 

[Samael88]

When you do research you look for previous findings or opinions on a subject, cite them and then write your own analysis or inferences based on what other people have concluded or written.

Not to be a bitch here sqrage, but what I get of what you are saying there is that when someone research they do is basically analyze old data to create new data, please correct me if I'm wrong^^

If I am writing a paper on say the theory of relativity I would not be claiming the actual information but present my opinions and conclusions about it and then make sure to mention that it is not me who came up with it, that is a whole other thing than just taking the information right away and saying that it is mine^^

I stand for that research is not equal to stealing at all, at least not when it comes to theoretical work.

Oh, and it would be really weird if anyone who ever built a car or bike would be accused of stealing the wheel:nuts:

 

[NightShade]

I'm pretty sure that sqrage is saying the same thing sam.

You don't pass off their information and findings as your own when you do research

I would not be claiming the actual information but present my opinions and conclusions about it and then make sure to mention that it is not me who came up with it, that is a whole other thing than just taking the information right away and saying that it is mine

Research means finding something out. If other people have already found out what your looking for then you can just read what they said. If not then you find out by making your own experiments. If you want to report on the finding of yourself or others you can. You might have to cite your sources if you haven't found out the information that you are presenting, like everyone has said.

Research and stealing aren't connected.

 

[Slapshot136]

you can easily steal from many, just remove your works cited page

and you can also research from just 1 person's work, provided that you cite it properly

so im going with they are unrelated and what your friend said doesn't make much sense..

 

[ElderKingpin]

i think he thought it was similar to

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."

And

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."

So he tried to think of something similiar, which it isnt, research is a different thing then plagiarism, in the quotes, they all refer to one thing, death or killing.

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Edit:

I think it just has to be the same thing being compared, so i made this up

"Stealing from one is burglary, stealing from millions is tax."

 

[Vestras]

"Stealing from one is burglary, stealing from millions is tax."

Taxes aren't stealing, because the money are helping you and your fellow humans <.<

 

[Moridin]

Taxes aren't stealing, because the money are helping you and your fellow humans <.<

And burgling a house helps you and your fellow friends (humans) . Just to put it in perspective.
Btw, I do agree with you. Taxes isn't the same as stealing, mainly because if you don't like the taxes or don't like what the government is doing with the taxes you can help remove them. You can't help remove a burgler .

I personally think that stealing is stealing, from one or from many. I don't really see the difference here. Can someone explain to me how research = stealing from many?

 

[tommerbob]

Taxes aren't stealing, because the money are helping you and your fellow humans <.<

Maybe its just me, but the way you worded that makes it appear that taxes are always ethical, which is not the case at all.

 

[thewrongvine]

AS LONG AS YOU CITE PROPERLY, IT IS NOT PLAGIARISM!
So if you steal some someone in real life, just make sure to cite who you stole it from, the time and place, and you can just tell the court it's research.

~Hai-Bye-Vine~

 

[FireCat]

AS LONG AS YOU CITE PROPERLY, IT IS NOT PLAGIARISM!
So if you steal some someone in real life, just make sure to cite who you stole it from, the time and place, and you can just tell the court it's research.

~Hai-Bye-Vine~

I Just wanted to research my stolen goods So you think, the court would believe that? hehe

 

[Slapshot136]

AS LONG AS YOU CITE PROPERLY, IT IS NOT PLAGIARISM!
So if you steal some someone in real life, just make sure to cite who you stole it from, the time and place, and you can just tell the court it's research.

~Hai-Bye-Vine~

it's not plagiarism, but it's still theft, which would still be frowned upon in court

 

[thewrongvine]

it's not plagiarism, but it's still theft, which would still be frowned upon in court

I hope you know I was being sarcastic, lulz.
I thought theft was a good thing?

~Hai-Bye-Vine~

 

[sqrage]

As I thought, this is going nowhere