Historical Wars v.Beta

[kuLt.G_Hoern]

Hi, I made my own map, and I need people to test it, tell me what they think needs to be balanced/fixed/added/improved and what they like/don't like about it. The map is in style of ToK: Boreal Conflict/Civilization Wars.
It's a strategic map, so don't bother playing if you're not into such maps.
I need you to rate it from 1 - 10 for me and tell me your opinion about the game.

Note: This game is NOT finished, I will add more units/abilities/ages etc.

Download-Link:
http://www.thehelper.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9653&d=1182051122

 

[zoll3]

i can test it ..

 

[Chups]

putting more info would be better....

 

[Azedenkae]

ill test it

 

[WindexGlow]

I might test it. But you state that you need helpers ( as in right now) and than tell us the map isn't finished, make up your mind.

 

[Dangime]

I'll test it.

 

[elmstfreddie]

I'll test <---

 

[kuLt.G_Hoern]

ooops nearly forgot, here is the map, lol forgot to attach it^^:banghead:

 

[elmstfreddie]

Pretty much everything in the Abilities folder leaks.
There are point leaks, group leaks, leak leaks.

 

[WindexGlow]

The terrain is pretty bad, at some spots it looked as if you discovered a new doodad, and decided to include it in your map (waterfalls on the left side)
The terrain is very bland, no doodads or different terrain to break it up. Not even a elevation difference.


Most of the triggers can be combined with another trigger to make your total triggers small, probably around 70-100.


As elmstfreddie said, most of the triggers leak. I'm going to test the game now, $50 says it's pretty bad.
>>EDIT::
And I guessed right, it's a huge ripoff of another game (tech wars I think it's called, likely wrong) You can fill your entire base with buildings after a short while, I woudn't be surprised if you had 50 unique units (buildings included) the other 50 are copies of the 50 orignal unique units, with a different name. The other 40 units are fill-units.

The combat is pretty boring, units spawn too fast at the same time to actually do anything. You can spawn units right in the middle of your enemies base if you wanted to.

Buildings build too fast, I'm sure it's possible to get 3 units into your enemies base, and build watchtowers pretty quickly.

Units are not unique, they do not have very many unique stats, no unique unit portraits, no custom color, no custom unit scale, no custom turn value, no custom point value, almost nothing. The game I am working on (currently taking a break from that one) has over 200 units. That's without dummy units, heroes, buildings (buildings add around another 50).
And guess what, I only have 5/15 of the races for that game. That's alot of units, compared to your likely copied and pasted units. (I don't copy and paste my units, they all have custom values and balanced uniquely)




So overall, it's a pretty bad game. The terrain likely needs to be scraped (try a unique land style that hasn't been used in games, such as a U or S pattern path) with reduced unit scale (decrease collision size also)
Unique units, that actually vary instead of being a small increase than the old unit
More variation in unit price
More buildings that are unique, instead of being the normal orc buildings.

Air units (if they are not there yet) that shoot out special effects every so often, land units that attack air units or navy units speficly.

Some unique ideas that are not used in a game before, story line (Don't make a cliche` story line)

 

[kuLt.G_Hoern]

ok. 1st of all i know the terrain sucks, im pretty bad at that, and ill have to find someone to fix it for me. just not my thing the terrain stuff....
2nd i swear i didnt just copy and paste units, i try to make them as different as possible...
3rd the abilities dont all leak and the ones that suck will be fixed (earth's wrath, conversion, good spirits etc...)
4th i know i dont have any custom skins and so on (except the attack/defense-type-pictures) and i dont really want to add too many like in other games, so that you can download it very fast. of course ill try to add a few custom skins later on, but i dont wanna exceed 750kb size. also map-picture and stuff will come in the end. and for the flying units-thing, it'll come as i said i was going to add more ages, which i am doing right now (industrial age), this age will have new units/abilities/buildings/technologies and air-units, which are similar to ships. for the '200 units and the game isnt even finished' thing, i cant possibly add that many units(especially not without making them pretty much the same) and it'd make the size of the map too huge. i only worked on the map you played 3 weeks, and it's still in progress, so please dont be too hasty judging it, its just a rough map yet....
well thanks anyway for testing

 

[kuLt.G_Hoern]

Historic Wars v0.90 --UPDATED--

Alright, after some whole lot of work, I finally got a map thats 99% playable. I added another age, new skills, units, modes. Also most bugs are fixed and units are more balanced than before. Map-size and loading-time have been optimized with a few tools to make the game more enjoyable.

-The terrain is still same, I need help with that
-I'll most likely add a 4th age later on
-I'll keep on updating the map, adding units, modes and balancing it.
-I don't care if I don't have 500 units all with custom skins, pictures and JASS-enhanced spells, I got a life so I can't spend 24/7 on this, and no one wants to play a 1gb map!

So please just give it a try and tell me what you think, except about the terrain, I already know that, and I know most people want more players....

 

[kuLt.G_Hoern]

The terrain is pretty bad
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Most of the triggers can be combined with another trigger to make your total triggers small, probably around 70-100.
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And I guessed right, it's a huge ripoff of another game (tech wars I think it's called, likely wrong)
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You can fill your entire base with buildings after a short while
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The combat is pretty boring, units spawn too fast at the same time to actually do anything. You can spawn units right in the middle of your enemies base if you wanted to.
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Buildings build too fast, I'm sure it's possible to get 3 units into your enemies base, and build watchtowers pretty quickly.
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Alright 1st of all I fixed the you can 'build anywhere' ages ago, you can't build outside your base now, and 2nd of all, the buildings dont take that short too build, if you wanna build a tower it'd take 40 seconds and it'd be dead by then, aswell as that towers cost too much to risk that. Also, you say it's a huge rip-off, look at 101% of the games in development, they all are 'rip-offs' if you want to call em that, there are not so many types of maps, that you can always have something new, thats why you dont go around telling people their map is a rip-off of dota, cause half the maps being made are an AoS.
Then you say the units spawn too early to do nothing...
If the units would take down the enemies base in the 1st minute then where would the sense be? In most games, attacks increase greatly towards the end of the game! You dont spawn 20 units right at the start so the game lasts 5 minutes!
Anyway, if you actually wanna help, then you can actually say what can be improved, cause you are just saying you dont like something, while not saying how it can be fixed? Anyway hope you help next time.