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[Zakyath]

what does unemployment have to do with narcotics?

It's called conscientious objector during conscription and you don't join the military if you're not going to contribute.

I think there are a ton of stuff the military can do at home that doesn't contribute to any ongoing hostilities abroad.

 

[FireCat]

what does unemployment have to do with narcotics?

eh? Nothing

 

[Varine]

what does unemployment have to do with narcotics?



I think there are a ton of stuff the military can do at home that doesn't contribute to any ongoing hostilities abroad.

Probably, but that's not what happens when you join a military. That's what happens when you get a job the military outsources to a private company.

 

[Slapshot136]

excuse me, what? was that a response to what I wrote?

>> yes, I was discussing the military - the government that controls said military is an entirely different can of worms that has a lot of stuff wrong with it, but that is irrelevant in the context of a military point of view.

Your point being?

>> there is no point in having an army if it won't fight in a war, and there isn't much besides an army that can keep a country safe (no army => easy target => need I go on?)

in a free and open country I am allowed to sell whatever I wish to whomever I wish. The US isn't a free and open country. You shouldn't refer to the laws of such a country, when discussing what is right/wrong.

>> how does discrimination fit into your "free and open" country? was the U.S. a "free and open" country 80 or so years ago when black people were not allowed to purchase products from certain vendors, because the vendors had the choice of whom to sell to? or what about "consumer rights"? there is a certain balance of power between producers and consumers, you won't find a way for both of them to be 100% "free and open"

 

[Zakyath]

>> how does discrimination fit into your "free and open" country? was the U.S. a "free and open" country 80 or so years ago when black people were not allowed to purchase products from certain vendors, because the vendors had the choice of whom to sell to? or what about "consumer rights"? there is a certain balance of power between producers and consumers, you won't find a way for both of them to be 100% "free and open"

in a free and open country, a man doesn't have to support whoever happens to be holding guns.

 

[Slapshot136]

in a free and open country, a man doesn't have to support whoever happens to be holding guns.

does a man have to pay taxes in a free and open country, or only if they want to? actually, does one have to do anything other than what they want? are there any "common good" benefits? police, firefighters, etc? or can one just rob/kill whoever they want? - and in your opinion, is such a "free and open" country good or is it essentially everyone being uncivilized?

 

[FireCat]

in a free and open country, a man doesn't have to support whoever happens to be holding guns.

If there's weapon in any country or whatever "You pay it "through taxes" even though you don't want it! Well, that kinda sucks, Doesn't It?

 

[Varine]

in a free and open country, a man doesn't have to support whoever happens to be holding guns.

I'm pretty sure that, regardless of the state of the country, the man with the guns will usually get what they want from a man with no gun.

 

[Slapshot136]

If there's weapon in any country or whatever "You pay it "through taxes" even though you don't want it! Well, that kinda sucks, Doesn't It?

you missed my previous post - if there was a society in which people only paid for what they wanted, that society would have no army, no education, no police, garbage collection, infrastructure, or any form of government for that matter - essentially an uncivilized society - people generally want those things, even if they don't want the entire package (criminals may not care for the police, elderly may not care for education, etc.), but few people want to be invaded by a foreign country - and even if some people do pay enough to support an army, then the others are just freeloaders, which isn't fair to the others who must pay more than what would be their fair share in order to compensate

 

[FireCat]

but few people want to be invaded by a foreign country - and even if some people do pay enough to support an army, then the others are just freeloaders

I do agree with you there somewhat. But I wouldn't call it "freeloaders" If someone, don't want to support an army.

 

[Varine]

I wouldn't pay taxes if I didn't have to. I'm actively trying to cheat on them right now.

 

[FireCat]

I'm actively trying to cheat on them right now.

You will be caught! LOL

 

[Varine]

You will be caught! LOL

No I won't. I didn't make enough to get caught.

 

[FireCat]

No I won't. I didn't make enough to get caught.

Who's knocking on your door?

 

[Varine]

No one.

 

[Slapshot136]

I do agree with you there somewhat. But I wouldn't call it "freeloaders" If someone, don't want to support an army.

there is a solution to this - we could just make paying for the army optional, and have a sign in front of each person who chooses not to support the army saying something like "I don't want to support the U.S. army, feel free to shoot me, as the army won't protect me", along with signs that say "mug me as I didn't pay the police to defend me", "I am not allowed to enter public parks because I did not support them", etc. - then those people would quickly die, noone would care about the idiots dying because of their own poor choice, and then the problem would be solved - right?

 

[Varine]

I like it! We need to get this in front of Obama immediately! Also technically you don't pay the police to protect you now. They're job is to deal with it after the fact, they aren't really required to come save you if you're about to be killed. When they do that, it's just kind of basic dignity, I mean realistically most people would come try and help you if we were allowed to be equipped like the police.

 

[FireCat]

there is a solution to this - we could just make paying for the army optional

The president number one job is to protect the country "citizens and visitors" regardless if you pay tax or not!. Seriously, there's enough with $ to the army.. They should do something good for the citizens. Well, If they do, I bet more would pay tax.
Btw: why support an army "if they kill civilians?"

 

[Varine]

The president number one job is to protect the country "citizens and visitors"

No it's not. And thank you for that, my day WAS grammatically correct until....

 

[FireCat]

Yes, it is!