can food limit be set above 300?

[afisakov]

I would like to know if there is any way to raise the food limit above 300. I tried Shift+typing in the world editor and while it changes the number displayed in gameplay constants, the limit stayed at 300 in game. Is there a way to raise it via triggers in-game or some other field that has to be changes first?
I am looking for any way to raise the food limit above 300 to allow for the construction of more units.

I don't want to set food cost to 0 because I intend to tax players on their army size using food used.

 

[punwisp]

, why not just decrease how much units use, like if a unit uses 3, change it to 2, leave 1 at one. Or if you use newgen(latest) enable no limits, and you can set the max past 300. I've had it set to 500 for testing.

 

[XeNiM666]

Try SHIFT+CLICK the Food Limit in the Gameplay constants and set it to more that 300.

 

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Try SHIFT+CLICK the Food Limit in the Gameplay constants and set it to more that 300.

You're joking right?

 

[XeNiM666]

Note the word "try" meaning I haven't tested it. And it doesn't hurt to try right?

 

[punwisp]

if you could shift click it, then blizz wouldnt have set a max...

 

[denmax]

if you could shift click it, then blizz wouldnt have set a max...

True, but usually almost everything can be set without trouble by "Shift+Click"ing (stupid negative values >.>)


But movement speed limit and food cap limit cannot be increased more than its usual limit.

A choice is, just set 0 food to all your units and you'll be fine.

 

[WindexIsBack]

I don't think you can push it past 300 food limit (maybe text-editing the constants string, but this could be complex and useless)

If you can not set the food limit past 300, than there's a different method, which can be used to simulate 500 units.
Every unit uses zero food.
However, X units == 1 food.

So if you want 500 units, than you'd have a max of 250 gold, with each footman being worth .5 food.

You can't set it to .5 though - when the footman is made, add .5 to an integer. If it reaches a new whole number than you add a dummy unit which costs a food.

When a unit dies, you subtract it's food worth from the integer, once again adding (or in this case, removing) a food dummy.

 

[Ghan]

> add .5 to an integer

...

 

[punwisp]

Newgen...enable no limits, and you can go past 300

 

[WindexIsBack]

Ghan - You know what I meant.

 

[bOb666777]

> add .5 to an integer

...

Win.
Rofl. But seriously, about windex's post.

You dont have to create a dummy, you can directly modify food with triggers.

 

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Note the word "try" meaning I haven't tested it. And it doesn't hurt to try right?

I said that because in his post he says: "I tried Shift+typing in the world editor and while it changes the number displayed in gameplay constants, the limit stayed at 300 in game"

 

[SomaZ]

> add .5 to an integer

...

This one was epic

Although I have to agree that I would've done it the same way as Windex described.

Just use 1 and 2 as integer numbers instead of 0.5 and 1, and check if it's 2 - count as 1.

 

[punwisp]

Newgen is your friend...

 

[bOb666777]

I suggest you try punwisp's suggestion. I think it can work, and even if it doesn't, it doesn't hurt to try whatever is easier first.

 

[Cookiemaster]

It's possible to edit the current food cap through triggers, even to value's above 300. (I'm not sure if this actually has that effect though.)

If you run a pick-every-unit action, count all the structures that give food, and edit the current food cap to that every time someone completes an upgrade or finishes a construction, it just might work!

Newgen...enable no limits, and you can go past 300

You can already go past the limits in normal WE by going Shift+Click, and just smash that up to a million.

Does it work? No, not really. Even if you do it in newgen it will still limit the cap on 300.
And it will be limitted ingame. Not in the map.

 

[afisakov]

I don't think you can push it past 300 food limit (maybe text-editing the constants string, but this could be complex and useless)

If you can not set the food limit past 300, than there's a different method, which can be used to simulate 500 units.
Every unit uses zero food.
However, X units == 1 food.

So if you want 500 units, than you'd have a max of 250 gold, with each footman being worth .5 food.

You can't set it to .5 though - when the footman is made, add .5 to an integer. If it reaches a new whole number than you add a dummy unit which costs a food.

When a unit dies, you subtract it's food worth from the integer, once again adding (or in this case, removing) a food dummy.

How would you go about implementing this in a map with many different unit types? Is there a way t have the game keep track of each unit's original food cost or would I have to make events for every conceivable unit the player can build? Also, the game normally uses farms (burrows etc.) to limit army size, if I have triggers make dummy units and normal units cost 0 food then won't the army size limits become meaningless? How much is this liable to slow the game down if every time a unit is made or killed I have dummies made or killed as well and how big is the leak potential on this? With multiple people building up large and diverse armies it can add up fast.
btw, sorry it took me so long to reply to this post, I was sort of busy with work.

I tried newgen and like Cookiemaster said it let me easily raise the number but in-game the limit was still 300.

 

[wc3shady]

OK what you can do is this, make the food cap half of what you want it to be (assuming you want a food cap at 600 or below). Now, since I'm guessing this is an army game, you can make it so every time you build a unit, it builds two versions of the same unit. One of them with food cost, one of them without. It would fit if you have an army game because then it would make a bigger army.

 

[afisakov]

every time you build a unit, it builds two versions of the same unit. One of them with food cost, one of them without.

This is an interesting idea but can quickly become problematic in practice. For starters I cannot think of any way to have the game do this straight from the barracks, which means I would have to trigger it to do this. Would this require making copies of every unit in world editor, one with food cost one with 0 food cost? If the trigger detects the one with food cost being produced and makes one without it would seem to work but offers up a player abuse. If the player can tell which is which, say by setting the rally point somewhere far away, they can send the real ones away to die and just keep the 0 food cost ones, essentially letting them bypass the food limit altogether and build infinitely large armies.
Also since the units will technically be different double-clicking one will only give a group of a particular type so there will always be a way for players to separate the 2, find out which is which by, say taking a guess and killing 1 unit to see if pop changes, and once again going about killing off the ones that cost food in favor of those that don't.