New type of AI (read to find out) =)

[Smygarn777]

I had a thought of a new special ai in special ladder maps. an ai that functions differently from the melee ai in 2 ways.

1. the ai is unaware that there are any enemies on the map and acts like there is no one to fight but sends out scouts to confirm this. The scout if it finds an enemy confirms the location which takes a few seconds then returns to the camp to alarm the camp of the player presence. and the alarmed camp will send out raiding parties to locate the enemy base camp and attack it. the difference here is that the base camp is not aware the moment the scout finds the enemy, the scout has to return to the camp first which is a bit realistic. If the scout is slain, the camp will shortly after about a couple minutes send out a search party to look for the missing scout, the search party functions the same as the scout but consists of a group of a few scouts instead. each time the search party is sent out it gets bigger and bigger until its impossible to stop one or more from returning to the camp alive.
2. and two, the creeps are summoned instead of trained in a base camp like the picture below on that summoning circle. to get rid of the summoning circle, destroy the barracks in the base camp, which would now be the graveyard and the temple. The creeps are summoned with intervals of 20-30 seconds depending on the type of creep.
Click to download the image. =)

The image shows a lowlevel undead camp that's planned to function with this particular ai.

hope you enjoyed reading this btw, i'd like some tutorial help and a bit of help itself, since im a noob with ai programming. i can though admit my ideas are pretty unusual.

 

[Jaujarahje]

The scout idea is pretty cool, I think that would be a great addition to AI by making the game alot more fun since you wouldn't have to worry for a full out army off the bat, and you can delay them in finding you so you have time, I don't quite understand the summoning though

 

[Smygarn777]

the summoning is just an alternate idea to training units, as you can see on the picture the base consists of a few buildings which include barracks. and when there is a barrack there is a summoning circle which spawns units with intervals of varying time. the difference is that the barracks are training together instead of individually and when there are no barracks the summoning circle will perish, and with it the camp because the camp cant produce more units then.

 

[Jaujarahje]

So it would be like footmen vs. grunts kinda then right? Units spawn at different intervals and you can buy different units that will spawn at different times?

 

[Smygarn777]

Yes they spawn like in footmen but they only spawn 1 at a time and wait for the rest of the group to be summoned before they move out. a single scout moves out as soon as its spawned but groups of class 2 and 3, in this case search party and raiding party, they wait for the rest of the group before they move out.
But unfortanetly my experience with ai constructing is close to 0.

 

[Jaujarahje]

Sucks that you have no/little experience but you have a great idea that i havn't heard before, pretty original IMO

 

[Smygarn777]

thats why i came here, if i knew how to do it i wouldnt be here.
so if its possible i'd like a tutorial how to or an example. ^^

 

[Jaujarahje]

Sadly I have 0 xp with anything to do with mapping though i'm sure you could find some tuturiols online, I just enjoy seeing peoples ideas, and most of them seem pretty good. seeing all these ideas and such might get me into learning how to map and make AI

 

[Smygarn777]

saying theres sure to be an tutorial for this is not gonna help me, since my idea is indeed very unusual. there might not be any tutorials or examples where the ai has to become aware of a player first by using scouts before it starts to prepare for war.

 

[Jaujarahje]

I'll look for some since its 9 in the morning here and no one is awake yet and i'm really bored, i'll post if i find any

 

[Smygarn777]

i apriciate it. =)

 

[Death_911]

Great idea for an ai, im getting sick of some bnet gameswhere ai does nothing, this will work well if installed into a footies type game, However, ive seen a somewhat new ai in sc zone control, they made it following somewhat the same basics as yours.


Still, GREAT job hope som1 helps you make it
I have no mapping exp

 

[Smygarn777]

ur cheering doesnt help but is apriciated. if someone helps me make it, i'll promise i show you a good map (this ai was made up for ladder maps as how a village would handle war, it would look absurd if they knew exactly where the enemies were all of a sudden without any warning or anything).

 

[Cheesy]

I suggest you learn up on some JASS. Once you've got your JASS down, look into the MPQ files of warcraft to get to the ai files. those are the codes for the melee AI. Study those, and eventually have a complex, fun game to play. GL with this though.

PS: This would take some more people than just one person with no experience with AI and some tutorials. You need to start small and work your way up.

 

[Smygarn777]

i think getting an example is way easier so i can study it and learn how everything works in it.

 

[Smygarn777]

Im sorry for doubleposting, but is there anyway i can get an example to study? =)

 

[death_knight]

I think I can do the AI with GUI.

What I was thinking was that I can program the AI To build certain buildings in designated locations, train units at appropriate times, and when the enemy comes into sight, I can make the computer attack in waves of different units depending on factors like tier level of HQ and the buildings build so far.

If you want, I can give this a go. If you do end up using my services, all I need to get from you is the following:

1. Custom Terrain you have made
2. Custom Units that you have
3. Anything Else that you think will affect the triggering I'll be doing

 

[Cheesy]

Get an MPQ editor, and find the ai files in the warcraft 3 directory. Those are examples to study up on. GL :thup:

 

[Smygarn777]

I love you deathknight!

as for those creeps, i think using the ones on the picture is enough;
Units
- Ghouls
- Skeleton Archers (Level 1)
- Necromancer
- Meat Wagon
- Zombie

Buildings
- Graveyard
- Temple of the Damned
- Ziggurat
- Medium Circle
- Altar of Darkness (or whatever)

When i came up with this ai, i figured the creeps would have buildings from the melee races most similar to them, in this case some undead buildings.
one thing, the scout process works in a way to make the creep base more irl like, so that the entire base wont be aware the second the scout spots you.
The scout has to return to the base first after staying on the spot for a few seconds (so it looks like its confirming the spot).

The Creep base will be finished building from the start because of this special ai, you dont need to worry about the building stuff. =)

(X+number means how many of that type)

Attack waves
Wave 1
- Scout X1 (wanders the map)
Mission: Locate hostilities and inform the camp.
Wave 2
- Scout X3 (Wanders the map)
Mission: Locate the missing scout and inform the camp.
Wave 3
- Ghoul X4
- Necromancer X2
- Zombie X4
- Meat Wagon X1
- Skeleton Archer X3
Mission: Attack the enemy base.

 

[Death_911]

<< AHHHHHHHHH CODE!!!
yeah and good luck ill host games on b.net with the ai:thup: