What are the benefits of JASS over the GUI? And GUI Vs JASS

[rover2341]

What are the benefits of JASS over the GUI And GUI Vs JASS?

This is what i came up with, But i dont know jass. So i could be way off.

Jass

Good
More flexible
Making custom spells are much more flexible.
In general faster
safer in some aspects(Codeing wise)
writing complex logic , can save you a bit time.
Also you hand doesn't go numb.

Bad
Some things could have been done faster with GUI (Writing code wise).
In Other aspects, it can be much less, safe if not handled correctly.

GUI

Good
Some functions that will run a little slower, will take less time to code, and wont be noticed by the players.
More Mappers can easily read GUI, as it looks almost like pseudo code.
Many ways its more safe, by giving you less things to be able to brake.

Bad
Less Flexible
Can make your hand go numb with enough triggers.
Writing some complex functions, or functions with alot of logic, can be much more changeling as you have less tools to work with, and can be much longer.
In general is slower, and some functions, will have a noticeable difference in speed in the game.


Over All
I see the GUI Has A Hand fool of tools.
I see JASS As a much finer set of tools.

I Think, if i knew them both, it makes sence, to do alot of the work that doesn't need the finer set of tools with the GUI and the parts that require, or would be easier in would use jass.



Note: I have found that the GUI, is still very possible to write complex Logic, with short amount of code, where the speed isn't enough different to be noticed in the game with my roller coaster game. Although its not done quite yet.

 

[Igor_Z]

JASS has no limits thats the adventage of JASS over GUI... For Example in JASS u can:
1. You can change transparency or vertex colors only for some players
2. You can create very good special effects
3. With JASS u can order a unit to use Wand of Illusions and many other abilities that u can't in GUI
Etc... It is like enchanted GUI

 

[Draphoelix]

1. You can change transparency or vertex colors only for some players
2. You can create very good special effects
3. With JASS u can order a unit to use Wand of Illusions and many other abilities that u can't in GUI
Etc... It is like enchanted GUI

1. GetLocalPlayer with Custom Script should do the trick too on GUI, even though you it's JASS you can still do it on a GUI Trigger.
2. ...
3.Same as 1, it's 1 single line JASS code, the rest could be GUI actions. You don't have to learn JASS to achieve thoose things.

But of course, I'm a GUI user, but I do prefer JASS.
They use local variable which means you don't have to have over 500 variables in a map which makes it so hard to organize, which also means you can make MUI triggers without having to create variables with arrays, I'm too lazy.

 

[Jolly chap*]

I don't know how to code in JASS but it seems that you can make a lot of fun spells and systems with it. But I've worked with GUI for around 2 years and I've gotten along fine. JASS has a lot of useful functions; GUI is a lot easier to learn and the application of it is faster.

 

[hunterrravyn]

Well heres a thread that might give you more of an idea about Jass

Jass = more efficant
Jass = more usefull (well thats for me )

Clickity

 

[rover2341]

Yep that helped. Thnx

I was just looking for someone that could tell me the ups and downs of both.

But i got some good feed back thnx.

 

[TheDamien]

Benefits of GUI over Jass:

• Easier to learn.

Benefits of Jass over GUI:

• Everything else.

 

[Beetlebomb]

I agree with Damien.

Jass just gives so much more accessability and options towards map making than GUI.

Also, it offers the ability to make things simplier, hence faster(which means less lag).

 

[rover2341]

Well. I Guess I cant fight anyone unless i learn jass first hand and do this for my self.

Thnx for the all the feed back.

 

[Charapanga]

GUI:
-Easy to learn
-Easy to master
-Has alot of limits
-No trackables!
-Harder to make a map with
-If a trigger goes wrong, you dont know how/where to fix it!
-Hard to spot leaks if you have a 50-line trigger( i know, i've tried..)

JASS:
-Harder to learn
-Pretty easy to master once you learn it
-Has trackables
-No limitations(Only boundary is the game ^^(can't make Warcraft 4 with it XD))
-Easier to code in
-Looks better(in game)
-Runs smoother(in game)
-Can make a great map with
-Simple spell making
-Syntax Checker!
-structs
-scopes
-libraries
-EASY TO SPOT LEAKS IN GIANT CODES
-etc.etc.

Final Summation:
GUI<JASS
With jass you can do limitless codes that work smoother than GUI

 

[Akolyt0r]

GUI:
JASS:
(-Easier to code in
-Simple spell making)
-Syntax Checker!
-structs
-scopes
-libraries

hmm thats not Jass thats vJass !!!!

so lets say since we havent got vGUI (lol would be fun xD)... Jass is the pwn since we got Jasshelper preprocessor (thanks to those guys over at wc3c ...hurray !!)

 

[Nerfpl]

GUI is better for me. Also i saw that true "master" can make uber triggers in GUI. check Paladon on Hive. Also GUI can be modyficated so basicly that takes off any limits, There is just simply not enough (if any) people that modify it, or make full use, because great GUI trigger is same pain in a** to read as JASS

 

[Romek]

You can make many things in GUI that you can in Jass.
Thing is, Jass is much more efficient, faster, and cleaner.

For example, if you wanted to make a knockback spell in Jass, you would use a timer, and call a function periodically. Simple.
In GUI, you'd need to make another trigger, and turn it on/off.

Honestly, I couldn't agree more with TheDamien

Another thing is making things MUI. In Jass, it's very easy. In GUI, it's a pain.

 

[Vestras]

JASS has no limits thats the adventage of JASS over GUI... For Example in JASS u can:
1. You can change transparency or vertex colors only for some players
2. You can create very good special effects
3. With JASS u can order a unit to use Wand of Illusions and many other abilities that u can't in GUI
Etc... It is like enchanted GUI

Please, before you speak, know what you speak about.
Everything you can do in GUI you can do in JASS.

GUI is better for me. Also i saw that true "master" can make uber triggers in GUI. check Paladon on Hive. Also GUI can be modyficated so basicly that takes off any limits, There is just simply not enough (if any) people that modify it, or make full use, because great GUI trigger is same pain in a** to read as JASS

GUI is better for nobody. Actually, it would be better just to learn JASS right away. But yeah, it can be easier to learn JASS when you know GUI.

 

[Romek]

Please, before you speak, know what you speak about.
Everything you can do in GUI you can do in JASS.

Well yes, because GUI becomes Jass anyway.
It doesn't work the other way around though.
Some things you can do in Jass, you can't do in GUI.

GUI is better for nobody. Actually, it would be better just to learn JASS right away. But yeah, it can be easier to learn JASS when you know GUI.

You learn some pretty bad habits with GUI.
It'd be good to just learn some basic things such as variables, and what's possible. Then go straight to Jass.

 

[Akolyt0r]

GUI is better for nobody. Actually, it would be better just to learn JASS right away. But yeah, it can be easier to learn JASS when you know GUI.

it would perhaps even save you time if you learn GUI prior to Jass,
you get a basic idea on how use loops, if then elses ...and so on ...and once you mastered GUI you can simply convert every trigger to jass and fix those ugly GUI-leaks, BJ-functions, unneeded funtion calls :///

its really good to do some basics in GUI before you start to learn jass ...you can really learn much of the JASS-Basics trough that "convert to custom text"-thingy

 

[MoonSlinger]

No no..... never learn Jass, jump straight into vJass if you want all the goodies without the bad.

Jass is the worst language I have ever encountered.... Learning Jass is like learning how to bang your head against a wall :banghead: ;
would be fun for a while (for some people) but almost totally useless in the long run.


GUI on the other hand have some plus:

GUI comes with a enforced programming style which means its easier for others to read, especially when there are comments litter across. Jass/vJass on the other hand, when the codes get long, you need to decipher the programmer's style first... not a bad thing... though sometimes you have to complain about function/struct lovers who put those in even when no needed. (Who need a function to calculate 1+1)

GUI is also user friendly for those who are not so programming incline, changing your methodology into codes becomes simpler when the text are mostly English. Also you don't have to worry about many things... For a beginner, its best not to even know about GetLocalPlayer(), Trackables or LocalHandles.

Lastly, GUI can easily be enhanced via custom script, its troublesome, but its not impossible. Like I always say, anything that can be done via Jass/vJass can be done by GUI... I meant results, not process.

 

[Igor_Z]

Thats what i think about too MoonSlinger... I'm never gonna learn JASS + i don't want to... I have custom scripts that can do that.. You can mix GUI with custom scripts and get what you want... Thanks to all for this thread

 

[Romek]

vJass is an extension of Jass.
You can't possibly learn vJass without knowing Jass.
Unless you want to learn some random keywords.

If you don't want to learn Jass, then noones forcing you.
But the fact remains that Jass is better than GUI.
Except that it's harder to learn (for some people).

 

[Akolyt0r]

No no..... never learn Jass, jump straight into vJass if you want all the goodies without the bad.

Jass is the worst language I have ever encountered.... Learning Jass is like learning how to bang your head against a wall :banghead: ;
would be fun for a while (for some people) but almost totally useless in the long run.


GUI on the other hand have some plus:

GUI comes with a enforced programming style which means its easier for others to read, especially when there are comments litter across. Jass/vJass on the other hand, when the codes get long, you need to decipher the programmer's style first... not a bad thing... though sometimes you have to complain about function/struct lovers who put those in even when no needed. (Who need a function to calculate 1+1)

GUI is also user friendly for those who are not so programming incline, changing your methodology into codes becomes simpler when the text are mostly English. Also you don't have to worry about many things... For a beginner, its best not to even know about GetLocalPlayer(), Trackables or LocalHandles.

Lastly, GUI can easily be enhanced via custom script, its troublesome, but its not impossible. Like I always say, anything that can be done via Jass/vJass can be done by GUI... I meant results, not process.

well wen you are already experienced with programming in general you dont need any GUI at all and can straight to vJass ...(normal Jass is a pain in the ass, when you are used to OOP and stuff 0.o)