awww map corrupted

[SFilip]

> fact: jass is not a stable programming language
Ouch.
You do realize this would mean warcraft 3 mapping itself is unstable?

> fact: The entire compiler is Jass and the entire compiler is crap.
Perhaps...
But that's why we have PJass, WEHelper and Grimoire.

And just for the record...a programming language (this includes Jass) and its compiler are in 99% cases pure perfection. Nothing there can go wrong, nothing you can call "crap". They do exactly what you tell them to.
A compile error isn't a compiler's fault, its purpose is to display it...it's the dumb user that caused the error. No, I don't mean anybody in particular by this.

 

[Chocobo]

In fact or Actually if you want, a thread named awww map corrupted becomes a JASS vs GUI thread.

 

[Kevin]

> fact: jass is not a stable programming language
Ouch.
You do realize this would mean warcraft 3 mapping itself is unstable?

> fact: The entire compiler is Jass and the entire compiler is crap.
Perhaps...
But that's why we have PJass, WEHelper and Grimoire.

And just for the record...a programming language (this includes Jass) and its compiler are in 99% cases pure perfection. Nothing there can go wrong, nothing you can call "crap". They do exactly what you tell them to.
A compile error isn't a compiler's fault, its purpose is to display it...it's the dumb user that caused the error. No, I don't mean anybody in particular by this.

dude, I'm sorry but Jass is seen in the programming community as extremely unstable. It crashes a lot, the scurity issues suck. And quite frankly, wc3 map compiler doesn't always read jass the way it should.

If JASS worked 99% of the time the way it should, then I wouldn't have to constantly move triggers around even in the normal World Editor just to get them to operate in the right order.

The World Editor Compiler itself doesn't organize its own commands in the order they are given-- like it should. You can't sit there defend Jass as being 99% pure perfection when it gets confused on its own command lines!!!!!!!!!


I'm sorry, but as far as my experiences have been, and as far as me reading people's help threads, the ONLY time I EVER see a map get corrupted is when:

1. a virus is present.
2. custom Jass is present.
3. custom gui is present.


I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, and you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, find a map that is corrupted without one of those three things.


And, seriously, even if you stick Jass in the right place, it doesn't mean World Editor will. World Editor has a hard enough time sticking its OWN Jass in the proper place.


Edit: I'm not saying don't ever use jass. What I'm saying is, Jass is as stable as Fire. It's good for certain things, but doing everything in Jass is like setting off Fireworks in a National Park.

 

[chovynz]

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Ok some comments then I'll leave this thread alone.

Are you confusing Jass with something else? "Programming community"....what? who? I doubt anyone who is into programming uses it or has heard of it unless they are involved with warcraft or blizzard in some way. What programming language community are you talking about? website? php, java, coldfusion? or operating system languages? Jass is none of the above. It is not Java, it is not ANYTHING other than a language made by Blizzard for their games.

Kevin. If you properly read peoples posts you will see that most people agree with you that Jass is unstable. That's not the issue. Nor should "Security" even come into it.

You HAVE to use Jass to make warcraft3 maps. There is no alternative. If you write it in a different language you have to send that through a compiler which translates it into Jass. GUI is Jass.

And Yes. The Wc3 map maker DOES read its Jass correctly. It's a dumb program. It will give out what you put it. Therefore, if your maps are crashing, then maybe you're not speaking the language correctly? OR maybe your Map maker program is corrupted?

Please clarify what you mean by custom jass and custom gui. You keep saying those but a lot of people don't know what you mean by that.

 

[SFilip]

> I'm not saying don't ever use jass.
You can't make a map work without Jass.
You place a unit...the editor adds a line of jass that actually creates it in-game.
You set the map name...another line comes up somewhere in the script file that actually sets it.
You add a GUI action...another line of Jass somewhere.
Now people are just...stupid...sometimes. They don't even know what they're doing, add a couple of Jass lines, produce a crash and suddenly "OMG the editor sucks, how could this happen?!??!?!?!?!". OK, the crash is certainly the syntax check's fault. But it would've never came up if you didn't make the mistake.
There is a solution of course...PJass and Grimoire/WEHelper solve this. But that's another topic to discuss.
And, speaking of which, this thread gone offtopic long ago so...