>Bandit Brawl: New Project

[Oninuva]

Look at the mini - map i made for you

Preview

imo, pwnz the old one...

-_-

Just import the TGA

 

[Tonks]

Look at the mini - map i made for you

Thanks. I'll just edit it to put in the "Tky Productions." I'm signing my maps under that, so that they're all under one name, but I don't have to sign them personally.

 

[Oninuva]

I can do that if you want, just say so xD

 

[lh2705]

Sorry to hear abt your PC, anyways the map sounds good, looks good too...
Makes the bandits able to steal gold from enemy units

 

[Tonks]

I can do that if you want, just say so xD

I got it, thanks.
I'm going to upload it in a minute.

Sorry to hear abt your PC, anyways the map sounds good, looks good too...
Makes the bandits able to steal gold from enemy units

Yea, I'm going to give some heros the 'Loot' ability, like I said, and pickpocket etc.
Thanks for the support

 

[pheonixashes]

This map seems fairly original compared to the onslaught of Footmen Wars lately.


Anyway, some ideas:

Perhaps a sort of "Last Stand" option for each team?
If your base is under half health, a new "research" appears in your base: "Last Stand." It costs... say, a lot of gold, but it sends in your next 2 reinforcements early, but if you survive, you don't get your next 2 spawns?

The duel option is new, but will the heroes be insanely overpowered (Footmen Frenzy) or be maybe a little stronger than the other units?
Either way, won't the more "supporter" oriented heroes suffer during duels, even if they are the same level?
A Demon Hunter will almost always kill a Priestess of the Moon, a Mountain King will almost always kill a Far Seer, and a Tauren Chieftain will kill pretty much everything but a Blademaster single-handedly.

 

[Tonks]

This map seems fairly original compared to the onslaught of Footmen Wars lately.

I try

Perhaps a sort of "Last Stand" option for each team?
If your base is under half health, a new "research" appears in your base: "Last Stand." It costs... say, a lot of gold, but it sends in your next 2 reinforcements early, but if you survive, you don't get your next 2 spawns?

That's a very good idea, though I'm not sure how useful it will be. Generally people die at the point where they have no gold, because they spent it all trying to take out someone else, and failed. I'll maybe try this out in v2.

The duel option is new, but will the heroes be insanely overpowered (Footmen Frenzy) or be maybe a little stronger than the other units?

Oh, hell no. I hate footman wars that just turn into Hero arenas. They're slightly stronger than the troops, so they can take a good number of troops by themselves, but they can't demolish people's armies solo. The tomes are 1000 gold for +8 agility, strength, or intelligence tome. The +Health tomes are 800 gold.
There are three items that you can buy in the Neutral Shop, one for Agility, one for Strength, and one for Intelligence, that increase the stat by 30. These cost 4000 gold and take up an inventory space.

Either way, won't the more "supporter" oriented heroes suffer during duels, even if they are the same level?
A Demon Hunter will almost always kill a Priestess of the Moon, a Mountain King will almost always kill a Far Seer, and a Tauren Chieftain will kill pretty much everything but a Blademaster single-handedly.

You have a good point, there, though I foresaw that problem. The heroes are very balanced. If the hero isn't a particularily good tanker, then it's a good spellcaster. It's spells make up for it's frailty. Same goes for the heroes that are more attack-based.
I'm making Custom Spells and heroes mostly, and the custom spells are neat and at the same time useful.
There are also heroes that are almost entirely summon-based, who are a lot better at killing troops than they are at duels, but it's one-or-the-other, right?

I'm trying to implement a Betting system into the duel, to make it a bit more interesting. There will be an option to not duel* and an option to bribe the Referee. The Referee has many useful spells that can potentially be the deciding factor. (I got the Referee idea from Pay123's Hero Wars)

*the option not to duel is only available before you see your opponent. So you cannot, say, wait until you see who you're up against, then decide if you want to duel.

 

[Tonks]

Well, I tried a public test today. Apparently everyone on BNet demands perfection...
Kids starting flipping out because they were losing and calling it rigged.

I stopped playing then and just watched, and found quite a few bugs.
-The duel system has a flaw, and messes up when played in multiplayer * the selections work fine, as do the timers, but the Winning part messed up.
-People were stating how unbalanced the starting units were, but I'm not sure if they were simply very bad at it or there really was something wrong. In any case I'm going to beef up the races being complained about, and test some more.
-Comments were made about the size of the map; they think it's too small. I'm kind of reluctant about this, as it will take another hour to make the terrain symmetrical again. But, I guess I gotta do it if it's neccessary
-Everyone said good things about the custom units and heros, and the spells especially, so I'm going to be making more of those.

So, this map won't be released for a good bit of time.
More updates on the status later.

 

[elmstfreddie]

I saw your screenshot and saw gates... I don't like gates in footies maps, they just get in the way. As for goodness footy maps should have, make sure no heroes can go into a base and wipe out a whole army (ie: Blademaster). Maybe damage them quite a bit, but that's just gay and cheap. Footmen maps should not be hero based, but heroes should be support.

 

[Tonks]

I saw your screenshot and saw gates... I don't like gates in footies maps, they just get in the way. As for goodness footy maps should have, make sure no heroes can go into a base and wipe out a whole army (ie: Blademaster). Maybe damage them quite a bit, but that's just gay and cheap. Footmen maps should not be hero based, but heroes should be support.

As I stated several times; heroes will not be the ultimate unit killers. They can stand against say, 8 units alone, but it cannot wipe those 8 units out instantly.

The gates are for the duels only. They're open the rest of the time. No, they aren't pointless like in some Footman wars where you have to kill them just to get out, and then they serve no further purpose.

 

[Tonks]

Bump: Update;
I completely revamped the Hero Selection system. I initially had it where you trained the hero from a building, but I've now changed it so that it's more like the selection you see in maps like Hero Wars and Angel Arena.
When you choose your race a Hero Choosing unit is created at the appropriate hero area, and you can read tooltips that display the

-Hero Name
-Hero Classification (Caster, Fighter)
-Main Attribute (Str, Agi, Intell)
-Spells (Hero - Levellable, Unit - Non-leveled)
-Attack Type (Ranged, Melee).

I'm still working on writing all the tooltips, they're very time-consuming.

I may switch the unit selection method to the same way as the hero selection, I think it would be easier to see what you're choosing that way.

I also fixed a bug with the upgrades, you could only get Tier 1 before.

Created several more Custom spells, and changed some hero models and balanced them a bit.

 

[Linkoln]

If you havent already, remember to add buttons that will send all of your units to different sections to the map. Make Large scale assults and retreats more orginized.

 

[Tonks]

If you havent already, remember to add buttons that will send all of your units to different sections to the map. Make Large scale assults and retreats more orginized.

Buttons are unwieldy and need a unit to be on, I already did the Massmove function on a Chat-based system. (-mass red/blue/teal etc, as well as -mass middle)

 

[Linkoln]

by button my meant an ability given to your main building

 

[Tonks]

by button my meant an ability given to your main building

Yes, and that would take a very large amount of button positions, as there are 12 places you can mass-move to.

 

[Linkoln]

use a spellbook...

 

[Tonks]

use a spellbook...

RoC. Anyways, any other ideas? I've already got the mass-move covered.

 

[Tonks]

Update:
Since I got FT Editor, I've been editing spells left and right. Not creating many of my own, but mostly just editing regular Blizzard spells. I figure this will make it more appealing to RoC users, since a lot of them don't even have FT, and uniqueness is cool.

I keep finding new ways to improve the map, and keep coming up with new ideas. I know I said I'd have a testable version up a couple pages back, but right now there's too many new systems that I'm working on in it, they're all buggy.

I've come up with the idea for a "Battle Arena" duel. In this, a hero would be chosen from each team, and they would all battle it out in the middle Dueling Arena. I'm still working out some kinks in this.

I've spent a lot of time playing Hero Arena, Hero Wars, and Footmen Wars maps, in both FT and RoC. I figure, if I get a good idea of what everyone likes best from each of these map types, I can bring them all together in my map. Make a nice balance between all three.

I'm still working on the Tooltips for each of the heroes, but this is taking forever. What I need is a couple hours of solid work. Maybe this weekend.

I changed the Tileset around a bit, gonna see how I like that.

 

[Linkoln]

hey, maybe instead of heroes, you get all your units to "evolve" into a hero. After say 10 kills,one unit will becomes a stronger unit, and so on and so on until he finaly becomes a full fleged hero. Would be neat to see. Would be hard to level them up couse they would always be in battle and have chances to die.

Cya on the Other Side ~Linkoln

 

[Tonks]

hey, maybe instead of heroes, you get all your units to "evolve" into a hero. After say 10 kills,one unit will becomes a stronger unit, and so on and so on until he finaly becomes a full fleged hero. Would be neat to see. Would be hard to level them up couse they would always be in battle and have chances to die.

Cya on the Other Side ~Linkoln

That's a pretty good idea. I'll try to implement it as a mode selection.