Newbie starting on a big project

[FFforce]

Dbz Hero Siege

Well, seeing you guys making maps makes me want to make one. It looks so fun.

Therefore, my cousin, friend and I decided to make one map called 'Dbz Hero Siege'.

The game would be a fusion of dbz tribute ultra, x hero siege and a bit of dota. I have got all the ideas written down and will start on the project soon. Hope i can get help from you veterans here.

There would be 6 Heroes. Goku, Gohan, Goten and trunks, Picollo, Future Trunks and Vegeta. There would be transformations like ss, ss2 etc. The starting would be something like dota. There will be creep spawns from both sides to attack the opponent. (This game will have only one team.) The creeps will be charaters from dbz. There will be 5 rounds of creeps before moving into the 'bosses'. The bosses will be sagas from the show. And placed like the top half of x hero siege.

For a start, there would not be special events, darkness waves, etc. until i get this map up.

I have a few questions :
1. How do i change the exp needed for a level and the exp gained for a hero?
2. I have started on the game but i need some help on creep spawning. I will attach the file so some kind person can help me out? There are no heros added yet, but i put a hero at the main playing area already. Thanks for any help

 

[Jarwan]

well i cant open that map file u attached(protected?) but ill try to explain.
if u have a hero selector thing this would be the trigger for setting amount of xp gained.

Events
A unit enters (Heropickregion).
Conditions
Actions
Unit - Create 1 Hero for (Player number of(owner of(triggering unit))) at (Herostartregion) facing (default building facing degrees)
Hero - Set the amount of xp gained for (last created unit) to (percentage)
Unit - Kill (triggering unit)

And heres spawn unit and move(note that it must be done for each path if ure using a dota shaped map or any in the likehood)

Events
Every x seconds
Conditions
Actions
Unit - Create x unit for (ur computer player) at (spawnregion) facing default building facing degrees.

Heres movement

Events
A unit enters (spawnregion)
Conditions
Owner of triggering unit equal to (ur computer player)
Actions
Order unit to attack-move to (region at opponents base)

I dont really know about that part with xp needed per lvl, but i believe it can be changed in gameplay constants

 

[TheSNGuy]

If none of you has any map editor/triggering experience I suggest you start out with a simpler map.

Try making a mini-game on a 32x32 map first. Its actually harder then it seems as you need to push yourself to make it fun and enjoyable but its usually easier to start with because there are often less triggers and units to deal with and for sure less terrain to design.

Once you learn the basics of the structures of a map and the triggers needed then you can start pushing your limits.

Best of luck though whatever you do.

 

[FFforce]

Thanks for the replies.
@Jarwan, i used weu to make it. I think the normal we does not have the terrain i used. Thats why you cannot open it. I used a timer and i chose to spawn the creeps after the timer expired. I got the creeps to spawn. But they do not move. Any help? I used the code you gave me but it still didn't work.

TimerEnds
    Events
        Time - Preptimer expires
    Conditions
    Actions
        Countdown Timer - Destroy (Last created timer window)
        Trigger - Turn on Lv1 <gen>
        Trigger - Turn on Lv1 Copy 2 <gen>
        Trigger - Turn on Lv1 Copy <gen>
        Trigger - Turn on Lv1 Copy Copy <gen>
        Trigger - Turn on Lv1 Copy Copy 2 <gen>
        Trigger - Turn on Lv1 Copy Copy 3 <gen>

This code is for turning on the spawns.

Lv1
    Events
    Conditions
        (Player 1 (Red) slot status) Equal to Is playing
    Actions
        Unit - Create 3 Nappa for Player 12 (Brown) at (Center of TopLeftTop <gen>) facing Default building facing (270.0) degrees
        -------- Group units --------
        Unit Group - Add all units of (Units in TopLeftTop <gen> owned by Player 12 (Brown)) to AttackersTLT
        Unit Group - Order AttackersTLT to Patrol To Human Core 0013 <gen>

This is for the attacking and spawning of units.
@TheSNGuy, Thanks for your concern, but i have already made 2 maps that are not public with quite a few triggers. I'm teaching my partners how they work too. Right now I'm pushing myself just as you said.

 

[elmstfreddie]

Last thing warcraft needs is more DBZ! Nonetheless, continue along... If you can't trigger creep spawning though, go simplar! Creep spawning is one of the most basic triggers

Hint: Use attack move

 

[Jarwan]

ur trigger aint exactly like mine, first, create a region in the opponents base, then one where the units are created, then create them there, then use a separate trigger which finds when a unit enters the region where they spawned, and a condition check so that its the computer player, so far the trigger should look like this

Events
A unit enters (spawnregion)
Condtion
Owner of (triggering unit) equal to(player 12(brown))

now add the action, simple as

Actions
Order (triggering unit) to attack-move to (center of(midbase region))

Now the trigger should look like this:

Events
A unit enters (spawnregion)
Condtion
Owner of (triggering unit) equal to(player 12(brown))
Actions
Order (triggering unit) to attack-move to (center of(midbase region))

The trigger will now rerun for each unit owned by player 12 who enters the region where the units are spawned, meaning that as soon as they spawn, they are ordered to move to the middle of the opponents base. Also, never use unit groups, it causes leaks, except if u use that anti memory leak tutorial.

 

[FFforce]

i tried that, however, they do not work. But, i think i know whats wrong now. Thanks for the tip

 

[Nestharus]

Then you never want to use point locations either because those cause memory leaks too -.-

Whenever you use a location, only the x-coordinate is destroyed, so all of those y-coordinates stack up and you're left with a big mess, such as your ordering unit thing (that causes memory leaks).

Because he's using WEU, all he has to go is Point - Remove Point when he's done with it or Group - Destroy Group

Yea, WEU's nice, but only for those things. If he's using advanced triggers or doesn't understand how to add extra terrain without adding 2 megs to the map size, all I have to say is -.-



Now, there is a better way to do it. Instead of using the "Rect" (not region -.-), you can just make it so that when the unit is created, you can instantly order it to attack point, lol

Just create at a set of "coordinates" (to save memory), then order the unit to attack point

Also, for your hero selection O_O

Ahhh! Why not just make all your heroes unit type - hero, then make it so when unit comes within range of circle, pick the nearest hero and create that, then remove wisp.

Set UnitGroup to unit group pick every unit within 50 of entering unit of type Hero

Unit - Destroy Entering Unit
set TempPoint to HeroSpawnPoint
set Unit[Player Number of Owner of Entering Unit] to create 1 unit of type (picked unit) for owner of entering unit at TempPoint
Point - Remove TempPoint
Unit Group - Destroy UnitGroup


I did the unit variable because you can do more if you have stored units , well it saves space in the end at the least

That's around how your hero selection should look -.-

Ok, good luck with the map

 

[FFforce]

I got the creeps to spawn and attack now.

@Nestharus Thanks for helping. But i still do not understand the code you gave me. What is the temppoint?

 

[Nestharus]

UnitGroup = Unit Group Variable
Unit[Player] = Unit Variable with an array size of 12
TempPoint = Point Location Variable used to store points

The unit group and temp point variables are anti memory leak

The Unit variable is just so you can store all the player units to save space later on for some of the code you might get into. It'll also prevent some triggering clashes ^)^

 

[Oninuva]

I just noticed this. I looked down members projects and I see alot of

"PURE NEWB STARTING ON A PROJECT THAT IS HARD TO DO EVEN FOR PRO'S"

If you can't trigger, please learn to make a melee map first. Then you can try making a few basic triggers. Such as learning to spawn levels with 2 triggers. Then you can make triggered spells and so on. THEN you can come back here and post about your map. Because what I see in this thread is all "trigger help" and this section is not for "trigger help" its for posting about your project and getting feedback. I hope someone important on the forums reads this and does something about it.

 

[Thawimp]

I just noticed this. I looked down members projects and I see alot of

"PURE NEWB STARTING ON A PROJECT THAT IS HARD TO DO EVEN FOR PRO'S"

If you can't trigger, please learn to make a melee map first. Then you can try making a few basic triggers. Such as learning to spawn levels with 2 triggers. Then you can make triggered spells and so on. THEN you can come back here and post about your map. Because what I see in this thread is all "trigger help" and this section is not for "trigger help" its for posting about your project and getting feedback. I hope someone important on the forums reads this and does something about it.

Hey there. I noticed you writing something similar to this in other posts and then I thought you might also soon write something like this in my post as well... I wrote I was a noob starting on an epic project, but now that I think about it... I've been making maps for 3 years or so... well, not very advanced maps but I know how to make all the basic triggers and some a bit more advanced, and I'm learning every day so here's my question: Why did I write I was a noob? Why do so many people do? And when are you a noob and when are you not? It's relative I think, and many people are better than me I know... am I a noob then? Not directed at you. I'm asking everyone including myself.

Sorry for making this off-topic reply ^^ I hope it's okay.

 

[Oninuva]

Lol, look to your poll for the anwser.

 

[Thawimp]

Lol, look to your poll for the anwser.

I have no poll. Did you mean the poll in this thread?

 

[Oninuva]

Exactly.