Creeps Unite!

[darkRae]

> At last... you post it. After such a long month

Not a long month, a YEAR. I started making this in May 2006, then left it idle, then this year, maybe January or February, I continued it again.

> ok if u like that then fine...

But if there are more people who don't like it, maybe I'll change it.

 

[divine_cr0ss]

???

> ok if u like that then fine...

But if there are more people who don't like it, maybe I'll change it.

like what? don't understand this one...

 

[darkRae]

> like what? don't understand this one...

Read previous posts...


And waaaks!, sorry, I've changed my mind again. When I tested the 2nd Volcano (The new Volcano has 30 sec cooldown and 80 duration. Damage become 175. Stun duration stays.) it became very weak. And 3 Volcanoes isn't good enough either. So I made it 20 sec cooldown 80 sec duration 250 damage 2 sec stun 8 sec interval. Even if a player stacks 4 volcanoes together, it will be hard for them to time it well. And note the 8 sec interval. Creeps can be hit, and then just leave the AoE of Volcano, and human players can even avoid getting near the volcano. So if they're unlucky, getting 250 damage is quite enough.

 

[darkRae]

[sorry for double-posting, but I feel like separating these two posts]

The update is released!
Creeps Unite! v1.01

Changelog for Creeps Unite! v1.01 :
- Added one more unit, "Chameleon" to the Dark Portal.
- Decreased all bounty rewards.
- Increased all lane creep armor by 1. (Footmen, Knights, Riflemen, Siege Engines, Owlbears, Ogres, Gnolls, Trolls)
- Decreased the limit of Lumber from 5 to .3
- Fixed and added some more things to the Quest / Info menu.
- Fixed Spot's visual effect.
- Increased Spot's cooldown from 1 to 6.
- Increased Spot's duration from 15 to 17.
- Fixed Emergency Jump's tooltip.
- Fixed Thunder and Lightning's tooltip.
- Fixed Mass Reproduction's tooltip.
- Increased Typhoon's attack cooldown from 2.5 to 2.6.
- Decreased Typhoon's damage from 108-220 to 105-190.
- Decreased darkR@e!'s cooldown from 125 to 110.
- Fixed the sky to Lordaeron Summer Sky.
- Increased Volcano's damage, each wave deals 250 damage (before : 200 damage).
- Decreased Volcano's duration from 120 seconds to 80 seconds.
- Decreased Volcano's cooldown from 25 to 20.
- Now trees show Birth animation when ressurected.
- Changed the tree resurrecting loop (periodic event) to every 8 minutes from every 5 minutes.

Download in the first page.

 

[Kenoriga]

Aight I tested. I used creep Ueki, vs alliance Shadowdancer.

No matter what units I get, it just dies before Shadowdancer's immolation in less than 10 seconds... Plus, he gets to buy forever-lasting items! I was practically shouting imba throughout the match...

>_> 5 creeps are always stronger than 1 Hero. The mirror images of Golem all died under Rae.

EDIT: Items > Creeps, because items help the hero kill the creeps, while the creeps die to a hero with an item. If you say that creep heroes can buy the items, why not change the location of the shops then... And items > creeps because they are everlasting, thats another point. Suggest nerfing the items or make them rented.

 

[darkRae]

Well, first of all....

Creeps are ever-lasting too, as long as you can send them to the fountain, which can be hard sometimes.

Rae is good in AoE nuking, for his Fan of Knives (Hidden Knives) and the Permanent Immolation that deal ridiculous damage (okay, maybe I'll nerf the Knives) And the darkRae form of Rae deals Chaos damage in splash (did he transform?)

I thought the items were very strong too, but I raised the price of the items a few versions (not uploaded) ago. Maybe I'll raise the price, and make a recipe system for each item (like DotA, so you can have some minor bonuses before getting the main item) Just wait.

If I change the shop's location, where's the challenge? You used Ueki, you could fly And if I'm supposed to change the location, where will it be?

Maybe in the future, I'll make creeps that silences spells.
(I told you I'm bad in balancing but there's people who can suggest, so I can try)

EDIT 1:
Maybe you picked the wrong creep to use. Each unit has its own purpose. Like the Ninja with uber-slowing-poison-attack to chase, Alpha Thunder to locate enemy positions, Beetle for tower-suicide mission. Have you tried the Assassin (the 1800 range Sniper) that attacks every 7 seconds and deal about 200 damage each shot?

EDIT 2:
By any chance, Kenoriga, do you remember what items he (owner of Rae) had that time when he owned you? (did you win?) Tell me so I can make some 'exclusive' nerf on that item. Also, tell me what nerf suits best for the items. Increase the price? Reduce the bonus? Or? (I alone cannot think of a good nerf)

 

[NuBy]

Hmm... It's a great map, BUT playing with the hero "God of War" because he looks cool, he is a little too powerful (I defeated a tower solo), but that is my opinion. And you should show the combination of items somewhere, because I had bought the boots and gloves and suddenly got a gem of haste, sorry if you put it somewhere else, because I couldn't see it.

An idea would be to decrease the amount of exp the creeps give, I think the heroes are getting too much exp and too quickly.

There are a 1 or 2 of similarities to your map and mine, it doesn't matter. But of course, you didn't mean to create something similar.

Finally, it isn't a bad map at all, can be balanced and improved. 7/10

 

[Kenoriga]

!!! The morph is actually you? Yeah he did transform. I didn't know the name was Darkrae haha.

I dunno, cuz it seems that the humans have more accessibility to the item shop, and creeps more towards the creep shop. It seems more themed-based this way, but the items are still way overpowered, because they are "invulnerable", which means they are a good investment of gold since they are forever there... Think 5 beetles against one 1k item. (Unless my suicide creeps earn me more than what cost them, rarely.) I was thinking to have the shops at the left and right sides of the screen to promote equal accessibility, but since creeps are more for creeps and human are more for items, it should stay.

Just don't like the difference between investing in either. Only the golem was worth it, since it lasts long... BUT IT DIED TO YOU IN A MATTER OF SECONDS XD

There are alot of stuffs he bought... but it doesn't really matter really now that all my fuss are explained above :x

But its nice its nice, just a bit funny to see grass touching dirt on terrain =p You could try having Grassy dirt which connects both.

Can't imagine how the map would be like if its more than 1v1. =D

 

[darkRae]

@ NuBy

He can solo a tower because of his 2nd skill, am I correct? Well, if you say so. Maybe I should nerf it?
I told you there's some secret items. But that won't make a lot of imba, because the effects remain the same. Just to save item slots.
The Heroes level up too quick? That's early in the game. You'll finish the game in about 9-14 levels (my own experience) while the max level is 20. When your level is high enough, it took reaaaaally long to level up.
And, I have never seen any other AoS map that goes vertically except mine. Others go diagonally or horizontally.

@ Kenoriga

Well, if your friend finished the 10 Golems in seconds while in transformed mode, it is obvious because it is his Ultimate spell. Yes, it is me. Rae was my first internet nick. When I tried to join a forum, the name Rae has been used. So up until now Rae turned into darR@e or darkRae, because some forums don't accept special characters.
Your 5 suicide units won't give your money back. They deal crazy damage to towers (2 Kabooms = bye bye sweet tower) So it doesn't give money, it helps you push (if the suicide mission succeed) You can ambush an absent-minded player using it too if you're lucky (wtf 1000 damage) And lol hard seeing your opponent's Hero HP drop from green to red.
Turning Creeps Unite! into 1v1 will be a nightmare to me. Add players, rework triggers, fix more bugs (probably) and more balance issues OMG I don't think I can handle it.

Anyway, I nerved Raze for the moment and have to think more about 'what to nerf' for the items.

Thanks for the comments. Map-making is just like being a chef. If you add something just a few grams, it will affect the whole dish. And people will comment on it, mostly criticizing the taste. lol lol lol laughs at the faces of peoples
(I laugh at the face of danger hahaha - Goblin Zeppelin, WC3)

 

[Kenoriga]

Yeah, I just realised how to fully utilise the creeps... But dying alot of times to the 'itemed' hero wastes alot of gold actually, plus some heroes with items run alot faster than what my bombers can do... But I realised that they can indeed bomb towers, only in the 3rd game I play =p

Guess I better start learning how to manage the creeps well! And Chameleon, lol, I didn't know it was kind of transparent... until I saw some bunch of footmen attacking the ground XD

 

[darkRae]

lol The Chameleon eh? The Chameleon was a Hero before, but I deleted it in v1.00 and turn it into a unit in v1.01 because it would too imba for a Hero to be so transparent.

I remember yesterday I was chatting with my friends, then I sent them each a screenshot with a Chameleon in there. I presented them the game "Find the Chameleon" and none of them found where the Chameleon really was, rofl'd that time, haha.

Anyway, back to Creeps Unite, there are 2 types of Suicial-Kaboom-er units.

Spoiler

The Infernal Truck that has Perma Immolation, slow movement, and 1000 damage Kaboom. Next is the Demo Beetle that has Blink (wtf? imba?) Burrow and the same 1000 damage Kaboom. But the Beetle costs 5 times the Truck. Beetles cost 1000 each and Trucks cost 200 each. Just the difference in risks.

EDIT :
I'm curious about Lava Lord's Inferno and God of War's Lightning Armor. Does anyone else think it is too strong? I myself a bit uncertain about their balance.

 

[darkRae]

Is there any other people who would like to comment?
And, bump.

 

[divine_cr0ss]

Hmm...

Hmm... I tested the God of War's Lightning Armor... I don't think it's really an imba or so... I think it suits fine...

 

[divine_cr0ss]

Sorry Double Posting... =P

Hmm... Can I make suggestion, darkR@e? Can I make a Hero in your map? My ideas, but you're the one that'll edit or make it balance... Can I? If no, That's okay...

 

[waaaks!]

i think he need ideas too...

how about combining creeps unite and limit break
creeps unite = darkR@e
limit break = divine_cr0ss

joke

 

[trygon11]

that picture there. with the huge awter thing

damn dude thatd lag a crappy computer most likley lol

 

[darkRae]

@ Divine Cross
First of all, I like everything to be pure, so I don't like using other people's ideas. But everyone is welcome to give suggestion about buffs or nerfs.

@waaaks
What makes you think I need more ideas? Hmmm? lol XDDD

 

[divine_cr0ss]

Ok..

Okay then... I'll give you suggestion in the future, maybe... lol...

@ waaaks!
I guess my Limit Break and R@e's Creeps Unite... Hmm... Can't explain it...
'No comment'... :nuts:

 

[divine_cr0ss]

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No more posts in here? ...

 

[darkRae]

O_O
You double-posted, again.
Well, just wait for the next update, I guess.

Only Waaaks, Kenoriga, and Divine_Cross like this map, huh?