Future President

[Zakyath]

>What corruption? You mean all the stupidity that the liberal media is throwing around? Most of that's not true or a complete hyperbole. There's corruption in every government, and Obama's not going to fix that... actually he'll probably make it worse by trying to stop it. And technically, since he admitted that he smoked illegal drugs, he's really not even supposed to be eligible to run of office. There's some corruption for you.

Face it, Bush's a fascist. The world had enough of those

 

[Varine]

Face it, Bush's a fascist. The world had enough of those

Then I'm fine with more fascism in America.

 

[Seb!]

There's no more point in posting for me because whatever I post you disagree with and claim I'm ignorant, and whenever you post I think you're ignorant disagree.

 

[The Helper]

There's no more point in posting for me because whatever I post you disagree with and claim I'm ignorant, and whenever you post I think you're ignorant disagree.

Its called American Politics. This thread is a microcosm of them. However, if you give up then the other side wins. Its a fact.

 

[Seb!]

Hopefully not this year.

 

[Varine]

There's no more point in posting for me because whatever I post you disagree with and claim I'm ignorant, and whenever you post I think you're ignorant disagree.

That's because you're generally wrong and are disagreeing with things already accepted by the majority of the world. And generally you don't even know what you're talking about. The UN posts about Iraq come to my mind....

 

[The Helper]

I hate to jump in on the side of someone telling you that you don't know what you are talking about but I can tell you this - and you can quote me on it - the Democrats are not winning this year. We are at war guys - there is way too much at stake for uncertainties. Obama is a young guy though and will have his chance hopefully - if the Elite let him. Not this year though.

 

[Seb!]

I wish I could make cash bets with you guys. The american people won't be screwed over by corporate puppets pretending to be "war presidents" anytime time soon, again.

 

[The Helper]

The public unfortunately has no say over the matter. You wish they did, I thought they did, but then I dug deeper and found out stuff. Obama is popular with the young people and will do well later if he lives.

See http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84220&highlight=obama

for more info. Who is his vice president, BTW? If it is Hilary it really does not look good for him. You know Nader just joined the race as well don't you as a third party?

http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84234&highlight=Nader

Ron Paul is not going third party like Perot did - so take out the Republican Spoiler.

 

[Seb!]

He hasn't chosen a VP yet, but I'm pretty sure Edwards would be his first choice - Southern, charismatic, etc. ...

But yeah, I hate Nader very much. Ron Paul going 3rd would have definitely helped out Obama.

I don't get your first link though? How does that prove that the public has no say?

Edit: Oh I see, you were talking about his life span.. lol .. my bad

 

[The Helper]

Remember Kennedy? Or are you too young?

 

[stubs101]

McCain:

The straight talk express? No politician is completely truthful, and to say that anyone is would be ridiculous. The recent controversy investigations actually tie him to a lobbyist. Also, I do not think he is electable because he gives the vibe of "stay the course," and too much of the last eight years (which a large portion of America disliked) is seen in him. The money that has been spent on Iraq could have rebuilt every hospital, school, and piece of infrastructure in America, and to staying in Iraq is the right idea may be disagreed with by the population. To cut taxes on the rich, please his lobbyists, and continue to be in Iraq would create a budget hole that our grandchildren will pay for.

Obama:

No Health Care plan? Do you even know what you're talking about? Other than getting out of Iraq, nothing has been more easily taken from Barack Obama than his semi-universal health care plan. If you honestly do not believe that he will get us out of the joke of a war that is Iraq, then you are sadly misguided. To say that he is also less electable in nature is also incorrect. He is younger, better looking, and more likely to identify with the working class. His message of change will be received very well. Racism is a problem? I think not. Of course, the ignorance of racism is most prevalent in locked up conservative states. These states will not affect him. The only problem I see with his being in office, is the high possibility of his assassination.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

They tie him to a lobbyist. When was the last time you read a newspaper...
The New York Times posted this story once, and refused to make copies of it. Every other newspaper declined it. Because it's false. The only, "Lobbyist pleasing" He's doing is helping her clients, which in fact, benefits him...

"Stay the Course" is what sensible voters should look for. They aren't looking for some hypocrite who says, "We're getting out of Iraq!" and then in office goes... "I never said that...". You can't promise anything about wars before you're in the White House. You should never promise anything about them. Varine got it right. Intel packets inform them of changes. Even if they found out they could export troops, when they do, the ones that stay to cover their tail will see some real action... and a lot of it.

"The money spent on Iraq can rebuild ... etc" true. However, what's the point of this if terrorists go and bomb everything? There'll be nothing left to repair. Staying in Iraq is brutal, but necessary. To stay there means no destruction here.

Explain to me how he cuts taxes on the rich...

Iraq is not a budget cut... if you take the troops out, then the taxes come in, and what do you do with it. You spend it on sending the troops back, because another terrorist threat is made...


"Other than getting out of Iraq" That's the point. He shouldn't, no... can't make promises about the war. You're protecting a hypocrite right there...

Iraq is not a joke. It's far from it. It's keeping what the world calls the worst thing ever at bay; terrorism...

"He is not less electable because... etc." So you're voting for him because he's young, black, and a hypocrite. If every voter in America is like this I would have killed myself long long ago...

I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to defend McCaine with some hopefully flawless points. Sorry for poking holes in you post.

 

[The Helper]

Iraq is keeping our economy out of a total failure right now. The Elite will not let our economy fall - while they play games with the Housing Market while all you geniuses are distracted with the war. They get richer and we carry on. People need to step a little back just to get out of their passions and take a look at the big picture. The only way you will figure this stuff out is with a logical mind.

 

[Varine]

I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to defend McCaine with some hopefully flawless points. Sorry for poking holes in you post.

Just as a heads up, McCain has no E. There will eventually be someone who decides to attack you about that... I spelled Giuliani wrong in an essay once and my professor wrote all over the page about it. Pretty sure he was supporting him....

So how did this get back to arguing almost entirely about Iraq? Does anyone else notice a Michael Moore-like trend coming about with all these political threads?

 

[duyen]

This is getting very off-topic. This thread has absolutely no relation to the war in Iraq and what is actually happening there.

This is NOT to discuss politics in general, many of you think it is.

 

[Seb!]

I think the war in Iraq affects who the next president will be very much.

TH:

I don't "remember" Kennedy, being 14, but yes I understand that he is kind of like Obama. With the young, change message.

Stubs:

Yes, he wants to cut taxes on the rich.. don't have time to find a link but will someone back me up at that point atleast?

 

[Zakyath]

>"The money spent on Iraq can rebuild ... etc" true. However, what's the point of this if terrorists go and bomb everything? There'll be nothing left to repair. Staying in Iraq is brutal, but necessary. To stay there means no destruction here.

That's racism, man. You've been brainwashed and you're being lied to. Don't take me for some kind of communist or something, here in Sweden I'd vote for the right-winged parties, though, in the US it's pure fascism. Why do you think everything has to be solved with violence?

 

[Varine]

That's racism, man. You've been brainwashed and you're being lied to. Don't take me for some kind of communist or something, here in Sweden I'd vote for the right-winged parties, though, in the US it's pure fascism. Why do you think everything has to be solved with violence?

How is that racist in any way? Terrorists bomb shit on countries that threaten their way of life (which currently doesn't really include Sweden, as far as I know), and the US needs a president that can take affirmative action against said terrorists. Perhaps Obama has a plan that may work better for the economy (which I really don't think will work), but his foreign policy sucks, and having a great economy will be completely useless if he refuses to take the action needed to defend the nation. In an ideal state, all we would have to worry about is domestic policy. But as we're not in an ideal state of time, the federal government needs a hard foreign policy and, for the time being at least, the local and state governments will have to deal with the domestic issues.

 

[Seb!]

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How can local and state governments handle large-scale things like healthcare, the economy, and other domestic issues?

 

[Varine]

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How can local and state governments handle large-scale things like healthcare, the economy, and other domestic issues?

Romney seemed to take care of it fine in his state, and had relatively good plans do to most of it on state levels. Feds that deal with the interest rates can do their job just fine when the Executive branch isn't focusing on domestic policy. Once again you've proven to be a little ignorant when it comes to the 'fascist's' ideas....