How many heroes should an AoS have?

[Viikuna]

16 is the number.

You can either have 16 so that oth teams can pick any hero they want, or 8 heroes each side.

It doesnt hurt to have few more or few less than 16, but you should aim to somewhere near 16.

 

[chopperpope]

It's impossible to say.

If you can create lots of unique heroes u can create as much as you want, for example, don't create two heroes like these:
Ormus
- summons a water elemental
- stuns a unit and deals damage
- send a wave ahead
- summon a sea moster
and
Marfallus
-summons 2 lava sparks
- shots a fire blast with knock back a unit
-sends a fire wave ahead
- call a locus flame storm

(those heroes look like the same, so, it's not good to have it in your map)
also, players don't like WC3 spells, so, u must create your own in TRIGGER EDITOR, and creating good spells is a hard work.
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u have 3 ways of creating a map:
-DOTA way: create as much heroes as you can repeating spells and basing them on attacking and casting spells once every an hour.
- Age Of Myths: create just a few heroes, each one with unique spells and gameplay, based not just in attacking but casting spells in the right time and way.
- My way (chopperway): create 2 taverns, one for heaven another for hell, use a good theme for each hero, example (fire, ice, elemental, nature, explosion, summon, ghost, poison), try to create each hero very special, like
- a hero with permanent summons to aid in combat like it's own army;
- a hero with another hero like a team
- 3 in one, like a hero with can morph in 3 different heroes.
- an invulnerable ghost which can only give support and summon fallen warriors to fight.
- a rune mage, which create runes as itens to use later.
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YOU ARE FREE DO DECIDE, but remember, do not copy any of the 3 stiles I post, create ur own like I did.

I hope I have helped:thup:

 

[Dinowc]

Chopperpope, your way kinda sux since these type of heroes (fire, ice, elemental, nature...) are impossible to balance.... and this sounds like all of them is a mage...

the best way would be creating warrior type, range type and mage type heroes
create 2 taverns for each team, in each tavern create 8 warrior types, 8 range types and 8 mage types (this is 24 heroes, 12 heroes in each tavern) so making 48 heroes would be kinda nice, but hard

if this is too much then create 1 tavern for each side with 4 warriors, 4 rangers and 4 mages (this is a good start)

heroes like these makes them easier to balance and I wrote something wrong heroes don't need to be unique, they need to be fun to play with
a warrior hero doesn't necessary mean strength hero, there are many agi warriors
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btw, coping style of "hero creating" isn't bad.... DOTA's style isn't something new and unique

 

[demotry241]

Chopperpope is a reduced version of Cemeh.


about topic.


your the creator. you decide. just like the "architect" on matrix.

there no such thing as a word unique nowadays. just keep writing down those ideas on paper. and soon enough. you will create a hero that will be perfect for their role.

like warrior = smash.

not like. warrior = flash.

 

[Vnbear]

The more the merrier

No one likes to play the same hero over and over again for a long period of time.
Variations make games more interesting.

 

[Viikuna]

Not true, I nearly allways play Leto when I play ToB. He is just too cool.

 

[chopperpope]

Chopperpope, your way kinda sux since these type of heroes (fire, ice, elemental, nature...) are impossible to balance.... and this sounds like all of them is a mage...
I can have a warrior of fire type, for example, I can have a demon warrior with spells based on fire, for example, attacks which causes explosions, morph into pure lava, the unit stills a warrior, but no more focused on just casting 2 spells and hopr you kill the target
the best way would be creating warrior type, range type and mage type heroes
create 2 taverns for each team, in each tavern create 8 warrior types, 8 range types and 8 mage types (this is 24 heroes, 12 heroes in each tavern) so making 48 heroes would be kinda nice, but hard
yea, u can create as much heroes as u can, but make them unique, not copies of each other
if this is too much then create 1 tavern for each side with 4 warriors, 4 rangers and 4 mages (this is a good start)
why always a ranged, a mage and a warrior? there are much more tipes of heroes whicch are not those three. You can have:
- a puppeter or general (which have all spells based on summoning, so, the true spells are cast by the puppets.
- a support hero, cause I can`t say a Sakura medic is a caster, if I give her strength atribute, battle spells and buffs but I base him on attacking
- a merchant, some heroes with special abilities like (trade, complete task, rob gold, mineway). Merchants makes the game a little more cool for the players who are fart of just killing, killing, killing, killing...
heroes like these makes them easier to balance and I wrote something wrong heroes don't need to be unique, they need to be fun to play with
a warrior hero doesn't necessary mean strength hero, there are many agi warriors
a funny hero is good, I`m not saying they don`t must to be, but unique heroes are good, cause the web is FUCKING FULL OF SHITTY AOS MAPS! If dont create unique heroes people will not play your map! I can`t stand lots and lots of new AOS maps trying to copy DOTA, for sure, the only cause why Age Of Myths is cool, is because it`s tottaly new! If you want to create a good AOS, u must do what people have never done, create hero tipes never tried, gameplay never played. do not listen to Dinowc, he`s telling you to make an AOS like all others, You don`t need answers from normal people
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btw, coping style of "hero creating" isn't bad.... DOTA's style isn't something new and unique

screw u man! ALWAYS complaining! read my topics carefully before start saying shit about it! READ THE RED parts of the quote

 

[chopperpope]

Then you should look up to DotA as your god ^^

they have managed to balance what is it? over 50 heroes?

DOTA?
OMG!
do not speak in DOTA!
it`s not good, it was just the first good AOS warcraft have ever had, but it`s no more the best, but people stills playing it like a good game, but, it`s not.

ICEFROG is a moron, he created 80 heroes! and he can`t even ballance them, INSTEAD OF BALLANCING OLD HEROES HES CREATING MORE AND MORE:nuts:

If you want to create a good AOS, do not copy DOTA!

 

[chopperpope]

So, your saying Pudge is not unique?

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no, it`s not.

EDITED: ROT is imollation but targeting self too
the flesh carapace isn`t creative, lots of other AOSs have spells like this
Dismember? it`s an aerial shackles without special effects.

about the hook, yes, it`s a bit unique, but the hero isn`t, just one spell is, so, it don`t make the hero unique

sorry for the question, but.
Why we can`t speak or create topics about DOTA?

 

[The Undaddy]

This has gone a lot off topic,but how is "rot immolation with negative value"?If it were negative,I presume it'd heal instead of damage.Also,seeing from your post,spells that aren't triggered aren't unique.Well,I think the spells fit the hero just perfect.

 

[chopperpope]

This has gone a lot off topic,but how is "rot immolation with negative value"?If it were negative,I presume it'd heal instead of damage.Also,seeing from your post,spells that aren't triggered aren't unique.Well,I think the spells fit the hero just perfect.

my mistake, sorry:thdown:

I`ve edited it right now

 

[Vestras]

Number of max players + (number of max players / 3)
Example: 12 + (12 / 3) = 16.

Fitting aye?

 

[Dinowc]

screw u man! ALWAYS complaining! read my topics carefully before start saying shit about it! READ THE RED parts of the quote

chopperpope, you are starting to get on my nerves..... you always think your ideas are perfect, you always think you are the best (you even thought that you can create AoS better than dota...)

by even watching your threads I see why you got -25 rep.... and stop spamming me you ******

 

[Vestras]

meh. stop it dudes.

 

[Viikuna]

Number of max players + (number of max players / 3)
Example: 12 + (12 / 3) = 16.

Fitting aye?

I like Vestras pattens, it tells the truth. Obey the pattern!

 

[Vestras]

I like Vestras pattens, it tells the truth. Obey the pattern!

oi crabbeys!
listen to the real shit!

 

[Flare]

Lol - math is on Viikuna's side

Anyway, make as many as you can IMO, assuming you think people will play them - if you can make 50 fun-to-play and unique heroes, then do so if you so desperately want, if you can only make 16 (happy Viikuna? ) under the same criteria, then only make 16 (or somewhere around that figure).

I guess there is only a minimum value in a situation like this, and that'd be based on total player numbers (no point having at least 20 heroes for a 2-player map, or 6 heroes for a 10-player map). After that, it all depends on what you can make, and if any new heroes can maintain the same level of interest that any other hero can.

it`s not good, it was just the first good AOS warcraft have ever had, but it`s no more the best, but people stills playing it like a good game, but, it`s not.

Pff - care to explain this then

Interests
mapping, playing my maps, playing DOTA and LOAP.

Riiiight, your opinion is definitely well-founded, because you hate DotA, but still play it?

If you want to create a good AOS, do not copy DOTA!

Indeed (but not for the same reason as you), but you shouldn't copy any map if you want it to be good. Nobody will give up the existing map just to play a new, carbon-copy map.


Now, I think this thread has enough spam about DotA - if you have nothing to contribute to the thread other than "DotA this, DotA that", or flame, don't contribute at all. I don't think Kazuga came here for a DotA discussion.

 

[Vestras]

sixteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

 

[SerraAvenger]

5 heroes.
Each completely different from each other.
That's all you need.

 

[Vestras]

5 heroes.
Each completely different from each other.
That's all you need.

n mui o nothing.
Really, that would suck pretty much.