Warcraft Zone Control - 2nd Edition

[Prometheus]

Recipie:
Wave of Death
The user shoots a wave that travels the map, damaging ememies in its way. Uses Death Orb and Wave Blast.
(Just base this off of Carrian Swarm. This spell just goes all the way from 1 side of the map to the other.)

Items:
Death Orb
When the owner of this orb kills a unit with this spell, it becomes reborn as an undead ally.
(Based off of Black Arrow)

Wave Blast
The caster shoots a wave of water, damaging enemies in its path
(Just base this off of Carrian Swarm)

 

[NiKaNoRoU_GR]

Some spell ideas (if needed)

1.Battlelust
An ability that causes the caster 2 increase 10% atck speed every X hits on the same target.Every more level, less hits per 10% IAS.
(model ability: a passive skill like bash)
2.Voodoo tactics (passive)
When the hero attacks, there's a chance to turn the target into a hex.Every more level, more chance, more hex duration.
(model ability: a passive skill like bash)
3.Spirits of the Spark
Summons spirits around the caster that drain mana from enemies 4 every touch and when they get into the caster (end duration) they increase his/her lost mana by the % amount drained.Each more level, more mana drain, spirits, % mp regen, mp cost.
(model ability: Voodoo spirits)
4.Mark of death
Marks a victim with the Mark of death, dealing damage/second.Additionaly, when allied units and the caster attack the victim while under the Mark of death, they all IAS and ID (increased dmg %)
(Model ability: Mark of the abyss-Hero Abaddon DotA)
5.Cleaver insticts (passive)
Gives a % cleaving atk (splash dmg) 2 the hero and a chance 2 cleave for 200% dmg...ONSLAUGHT!!!
(Model ability: cleaving attack)
6.Call of the claw (better use this on a druid-alike hero)
Passively increases AS and gives a % chance 2 summon druids (of ur preferance)
(Model ability: critical or drunken brawler,if u want +evasion)
7.Carrion army (channeling)
Every X secs of time, ur hero summons carrions who attack AOE enemies and deal damage continually.
(Model ability: channel)
The triggers 4 spell 7:

EV:
Unit begins channeling an ability
COND:
ACTIONS:
Pause (triggering unit)
Play channeling animation of triggering unit
Summon a Carrion underdog at 300 points offset
Add a generic 6 expiration timer 4 (last summoned unit)
Order (last summoned unit) 2 attack-move to 550 range of (position of triggering unit)
Wait 0.75 seconds
Summon a Carrion underdog at 300 points offset
Add a generic 6 expiration timer 4 (last summoned unit)
Order (last summoned unit) 2 attack-move to 550 range of (position of triggering unit)
Wait 0.75 seconds
Summon a Carrion underdog at 300 points offset
Add a generic 6 expiration timer 4 (last summoned unit)
Order (last summoned unit) 2 attack-move to 550 range of (position of triggering unit)
Wait 0.75 seconds
Summon a Carrion underdog at 300 points offset
Add a generic 6 expiration timer 4 (last summoned unit)
Order (last summoned unit) 2 attack-move to 550 range of (position of triggering unit)
Wait 0.75 seconds
Summon a Carrion underdog at 300 points offset
Add a generic 6 expiration timer 4 (last summoned unit)
Order (last summoned unit) 2 attack-move to 550 range of (position of triggering unit)
Wait 0.75 seconds
Summon a Carrion underdog at 300 points offset
Add a generic 6 expiration timer 4 (last summoned unit)
Order (last summoned unit) 2 attack-move to 550 range of (position of triggering unit)
Wait 0.75 seconds
Unpause (triggering unit)
Stop channeling animation from triggering unit

That spell is explained
8.Smell of blood (passive)
Each time the caster atks some1, he will open a wound (buff).Each hit deepens the wound, which results in a killing spree (+plus dmg WITHOUT counting armor/hit on same target, -%ms -%as/hit on same target) ORB effect
(Model ability: Ulfsaar's orb effect-DotA)
9.Inner power (passive)
A great passive spell.When the hero attacks, there's a chance that he will unleash his full potential in a X AOE dealing dmg equal 2 his health and STRENGTH->primary attribute best<- and making all units in AOE attack each other for 2 seconds.
(Model ability: a passive spell and much triggers)

 

[Doomhammer]

*wow*
+rep for good ideas!

with this amount of ideas (and maybe some more), I should actually be able to have 3 heroes per race (i.e. the 2 heroes as so far + one hero completely based on custom spells) + 3 neutral heroes. The user would then be able to awaken one hero in tier 1, and a second hero in tier 2.

I need a few more abilities, which will be used for the Naga Royal Guards (Naga tier5 melee); ideally 1-2 passive abilities, and 1-2 active (automatic) abilities.

here´s my personal input for one of the neutral heroes:

Goblin Machinist

ability1: Pressure Jump
A strong combustion of pressured air making the machinist jump over a small/medium/high/very high distance towards the target position. Enemy units within the landing area will take X damage and be stunned for X seconds.

ability 2: Minefields
the Machinist randomly spreads out X landmines in the target area. Each landmine deals X damage.

ability 3: Mecanic Reconstruction
sets the Machinist in repair mode allowing him to repair X% of hitpoints per second of buildings, mecanical units and itself.

ultimate ability: Spare parts
(channeling ability)
the Machinist starts to rapidly spin on the spot whilst continuously lancing waves of spare parts on nearby enemy air and ground units. Lasts X seconds

PS: I've heard complaints about heroes in my map not being strong enough, costing too much and taking too long to revive. What's your opinion on that???

 

[Thanatos_820]

I think of your heroes of good costing and reviving since they can knock out a unit in about 1-4 hits!

 

[NiKaNoRoU_GR]

*wow*
+rep for good ideas!

with this amount of ideas (and maybe some more), I should actually be able to have 3 heroes per race (i.e. the 2 heroes as so far + one hero completely based on custom spells) + 3 neutral heroes. The user would then be able to awaken one hero in tier 1, and a second hero in tier 2.

I need a few more abilities, which will be used for the Naga Royal Guards (Naga tier5 melee); ideally 1-2 passive abilities, and 1-2 active (automatic) abilities.
1.Naga stomp:The Naga stomps a target each hit, making the ground shake in each hit.(Passive) Damages units in AOE of the shake, and bonus dmg to the attacked unit.
2.Waveblast:Lets out a wave knocking enemies back.Some of them may instantly drown
3.Naga call:Used to summon other Nagas of your liking in a chance while hitting. (passive)
4.Ulti:Abyss hit:The Naga submerges into the ground, creates a wave over the target, emerges next to him, and pawns his head, dealing damage Equal to the target's mana.The more mana, the more damage.
Synergy:Naga Stomp+Abyss hit:Max mana=instant death

here´s my personal input for one of the neutral heroes:

Goblin Machinist

ability1: Pressure Jump
A strong combustion of pressured air making the machinist jump over a small/medium/high/very high distance towards the target position. Enemy units within the landing area will take X damage and be stunned for X seconds.
^My view: add slow, better, less imba, and while slowed increase attack speed of the caster
ability 2: Minefields
the Machinist randomly spreads out X landmines in the target area. Each landmine deals X damage.
^My view:Good, but you can add this: set an integer (X% chance to throw more mines and cost more mana)
ability 3: Mecanic Reconstruction
sets the Machinist in repair mode allowing him to repair X% of hitpoints per second of buildings, mecanical units and itself.
^My view:Quite imba.Make him more vulnareble to attacks while repairing, and make it channeling if you want.
ultimate ability: Spare parts
(channeling ability)
the Machinist starts to rapidly spin on the spot whilst continuously lancing waves of spare parts on nearby enemy air and ground units. Lasts X seconds
^My view:Very good, nothing to add
PS: I've heard complaints about heroes in my map not being strong enough, costing too much and taking too long to revive. What's your opinion on that???
Well, I have posted quite a blance

Added some of mine comments and ideas-I am a good hero balancer
Btw ty for rep gl with the map

 

[BlackDiamond]

I've heard complaints about heroes in my map not being strong enough, costing too much and taking too long to revive. What's your opinion on that???

Well, after playing your map, I would rather agree, but NiKaNoRoU_GR is truly a good balancer, could help you out
And I would suggest making a new hero off the model file of the Arachnid, I got some ideas of it:
Beelmachzen, the Venom archnid:
Primary stat:Agility
kk there I go:
1.Lethal Venom:
Deals a primary X damage, then make the target lose more damage each step he makes for some time.
2.Toxic Field:
The Arachnid spits venom around him, dealing X damage on enemies and healing X health of himself.
3.Poison fume:
When melee attackers hit Beelmachzen, they will get overall stat loss.
In addition, Beelmachzen while having this passive ability and cast Toxic field, he gains some bonuses for some time.
4.Ulti-Flow of Venom:
Beelmachzen lets poison overflow him, becoming totally green.While in poison form, the Poison fume effects are tripled.He gains a poison stacking attack and all his spells cost less mana.

are they good?

 

[Doomhammer]

thanks for input and criticism!

I'd find it quite nice to have a custom version of the Goblin Alchemist next to the "Goblin Machinist". My idea is to have two neutral Goblin heroes and two neutral "Element Masters" available in each player's altar, in addition to 3 race-related heroes. I've already got some ideas for the Element Masters (Master of the Winds, and Master of the Soil) - I'll post them once their concepts are complete

So, for the Goblin Alchemist, I find chemical rage quite nice, but the other abilities could either be changed in some way, or completely replaced by custom abilities.

any more ideas on the subject of "chemistry"?

 

[NiKaNoRoU_GR]

So, for the Goblin Alchemist, I find chemical rage quite nice, but the other abilities could either be changed in some way, or completely replaced by custom abilities.

Ok:
1.Alchemy potion:
The Alchemist shakes a potion filled with mysterious ingredients and throws to an area.All units on this area will either be stunned or damaged.
2.Liquid chemicals:
The alchemist accidentally on an attack throws in a random target a chemical.If it is a friend, it either boosts attack or hip points regen, if it is an enemy, it either decreases attack rate or movement speed.
3.Experiments:
The Alchemist's experiments increase his other abilities:
1.^ the potion has also a chance to create another effect: make the enemies miss on most attacks.
2^The friendly target has also chance to increase movement speed, and the enemy chance to decrease health/second
Alchemist rage:Increases 2nd spell rate while on rage, and allows it to cast self


good?
4.Ulti-alchemist rage

 

[NiKaNoRoU_GR]

Bump for this wonderful map.

 

[Thanatos_820]

HEY DOOMHAMMER!!!!!! I had this excellent idea for you. Hopefully you are proud!

Pets:
Pets are purchasable units that don't attack but provide bonuses for your and any allied army. They go at a speed of 522 and the auras they bestow have a range of the max. Boosters can be purchased from your local pet shop to upgrade these auras. EACH PET CAN ONLY BE BOUGHT ONCE!!!! All auras stack when you and your ally have the same pet. They are also invulnerable.

Wolf: 1000 Gold
Wolves represent the example of speed and agility. Buying one of these increases the attack speed and movement speed by 5%.

Tiger: 1000 Gold
Tigers represent the example of brutal strength and overwhelming power. Buying one of these increases damage by 5%.

Owl: 1250 Gold
Owls represent the example of wisdom and cunning. Buying one of these increases the mana and mana regeneration rate by 5%.

Turtle: 950 Gold
Turtles represent the example of toughness. Buying one of these increases the armor by 5.

Hawk: 1000 Gold
Hawks represent the example of razorspines. Buying one of these increases the ranged attack damage by 5%.

Bear: 1250 Gold
Bears represent the example of vitality and iron will. Buying one of these increases the hit points and hit point regeneration by 5%.

Boar: 1000 Gold
Boars represent the example of stubborness. Buying one of these increases the melee attack damage by 5%.

Crane: 1750 Gold
Cranes represent the example of luck, wealth, and royalty. Buying one of these increases your gold reserves by 25 every 8 seconds.

Dragon: 2000 Gold
Dragons represent the example of heroes. Buying one of these increases the heroic stats by 5.

Overdrive Booster: 8500 Gold (ONLY UPGRADES ONE TIME)
Doubles the aura properties of pets except the interval of gold income and aura range. THIS CAN BE UPGRADED ONLY ONCE!

 

[Thanatos_820]

***!BUMP! ***

Doomhammer hasn't been on since Sep. 24..... he's still offline...well here's a few things he might want to put in after he comes back:

New Races:
Gnoll
High Elf
Satyr
Demon
Dwarves
Nerubians

New Units, Upgrades and Buildings:
Gnolls

Gnoll - Worker
Dmg: N/A
Armor: 0
Builds: Gnoll Training Grounds, Gnoll Hunting Grounds, Gnoll Explosive Factory, Gnoll Bunker, Gnoll Brute Den, and Gnoll Statue.

Gnoll Warrior - Basic Melee
HP: 100
Dmg: 7-7
Armor: 0

Gnoll Poacher - Basic Ranged
HP: 90
Dmg: 8-12
Armor: 0

Gnollish Sabotager - Heavy Siege
HP: 235
Dmg: 89-95
Armor: 1

Gnoll Brute - Heavy Melee
HP: 1000
Dmg: 40-42
Armor: 3

Gnoll Avatar - Heavy Assualt
HP: 2450
Dmg: 178-242
Armor: 8

Gnoll Training Grounds
Produces Gnoll Warriors. Contains the Fury upgrade.

Gnoll Hunting Grounds
Produces Gnoll Poachers. Contains the Auto-Shot upgrade.

Gnoll Explosive Factory
Produces Gnoll Sabotagers. Contains the Backfire upgrade.

Gnoll Brute Dens
Produces Gnoll Brutes. Contains the Death Wish, Vital Organisms, and Berserk upgrades.

Gnoll Statue
Produces Gnoll Avatars. Contains the Command Aura, Brutal Fist, Frenzy, and Battle Shout upgrades.

Gnoll Bunker
10 Poachers may enter inside. Each Poacher gives a bonus target up to 5 targets max.

High Elves

Elf - Worker
Dmg: N/A
Armor: 0
Builds: Arcane Barracks, Archery, Woodworks, Arcane Tower, Stables, and Dragonhawk Nest.

Elven Inceptor - Basic Melee
HP: 120
Dmg: 9-9
Armor: 3

Elven Marksman - Basic Ranged
HP: 100
Dmg: 8-10
Armor: -2

Balista - Heavy Siege
HP: 205
Dmg: 51-78
Armor: 0

Elven Guardian - Heavy Melee
HP: 1250
Dmg: 22-29
Armor: 6

Dragonhawk - Heavy Assualt
HP: 2450
Dmg: 178-242
Armor: 8

Too lazy to put in more. I'll be back later.

 

[Doomhammer]

Hey Thanatos!

I came back from quite a long trip

thanks for all those fabulous ideas and suggestions.
Thing is, that in many cases I have to think more practical, i.e. I have to go from What I Want down to What I Can Do. Especially with additional races (like Furbolgs or Satyrs) I have the problem that Blizzard never intended to make more than primitive Forest creeps out of them - so I can't really create a whole "civilization" with what is given; especially substantial buildings/building models are missing: altar, HQ, Defense Tower, and about three advanced buildings for higher tiers. So the 6th race is, despite all the good ideas still somewhere in between the definite "yes" and "no". Ideally I'd have a good modeler on board - which atm I don't. Even with the Naga I'm missing a good model for a Naga siege unit. To make things even more pretty I'd even give the humans better building models serving as "Rifle Range" and "Stalls"

The idea with the pets is very nice! But I kindof don't think it'll fit into the concept; the pets rather deserve a map of their own; some pet AOS, or a completely new game principle that is mainly based on pets could turn out very interesting and very fun.

Right now I'm dealing with other issues - and I could need some support
For ppl interested in joining this project, here's what I could need some help with:

+ terraining (tileset: sunken ruins)
+ modelling
+ unit balancing & conceptual work, i.e. giving input on spells/costs/etc.
+ spell making (requires solid JASS skills - ideally even better than mine)

pm me when interested! - this is no full-time job - there is less time pressure, because the complicated stuff, i.e. trigger/jass code is simply taken over from ZCE 1 and modified; this time it's really about getting creative!

 

[Doomhammer]

heroes!

Each race will have one additional hero with custom abilities (if possible)


Human - Sorceress of the Light (model: Jaina)

ability1: Light Seeker
Shoots a ball of concentrated light at the opponent. The Seeker will follow the target and burn X hit points upon impact. Deals additional X hit points damage to enemy units along the trajectory of the Seeker.
[basically an energy shot like the good old Quake2 BFG-shot. With extra time spent on the spell, I could even include physics similiar to the Quake4 anti-matter gun shot]

ability2: Blinding Light
A strong flash of light blinding enemy units around the Sorceress, thus making them refuse their attacking orders for X seconds and retreat.
[kind of the complementary ability to Taunt]

ability3: Cloak of Invisibility (aura)
An aura that renders friendly units in a small/medium/large/very large area around the Sorceress invisible.
[like the arbiter in Starcraft]

ultimate ability:Light Nova (channeling ability)
Concentrated bundles of light that shine from the sky and deal X damage per second to enemy units. Lasts X seconds. Buildings take reduced damage.



Nightelf - Shadow-Walker (model: Furion)

ability1: Tree Wall
Makes a small/medium/large/very large forest sprout in the target area with X% of the growing trees being able to react to approaching enemies dealing X damage per hit.

ability2: Call of Nature
Calls X wisps from close forests to surround and dissolve the target dealing X damage and draining X mana per second. Lasts X seconds.
[-> Archimond's fate at the end of WC3]

ability3: Shadow-Walk
Allows the Shadow-Walker to walk through units and objects bearing a X% damage reduction, yet prohobiting the Shadow-Walker to attack. Lasts X seconds

ultimate ability: Summon Dark-Bear
Summons a mighty bear (3000 hit points) that attacks approaching enemies.
Bear abilities:
i) Head Bite: the Dark-Bear bites off the head of an enemy unit thus killing it instantly and transfering 30% of its health.
ii) Deafening Roar: A mighty roar that deafens surrounding units thus reducing their movement speed by 75% and attack speed by 50%


I'm still working on the 3rd Orc hero, the 3rd Undead hero and the 3rd Naga hero. Original ideas and suggestions will be highly appreciated!

 

[Prometheus]

Call me if you need some spells.
Kinda busy with a lot of stuff but if you need it, I can.

 

[Doomhammer]

update on terrain

*g* thanks kc!

btw.: here's a little update about the terrain.
Do zone control maps all have to look structured, flat and dull? - I don't think so. Here's a first screenshot of the terrain concept - no doodads added so far.

It's 19 zones for 6 players now; out of two allied players the quicker one will get the 'third zone' around their HQ, which is about as close as the home zone, and then there is exactly 2 zones in between two non-allied players' home zones - a tough fight for zones guaranteed.

In terms of gameplay I decided that there won't be upkeep any more; instead players will receive a low, constant income as long as they have not more than two zones (or less than let's say 50 units, either of both). Once they have more, the constant income will be cut.

All in all I'm pretty satisfied with the strategic layout: I strongly doubt that any player has remarkable advantages through the chosen map position.

In terms of heroes, I will try to make use of top-notch custom spells including as much physix and stunning special FX as possible.

The 6th race is not decided yet. If I get some cool building models then I'd definitely go for it, otherwise it could be implemented in a later version...or it takes a bit longer until I'll be a good modeler myself.

 

[NiKaNoRoU_GR]

nice to see an update
Keep it up

 

[Thanatos_820]

Ouch! Those screenshots look darn good! Can't wait until that version comes out!

 

[Doomhammer]

moving on...

Hey!
I'm glad to see a lot of interest.

Here are 2 new screenshots of the terrain with more life in it.
I hope you like it.
I never thought I'd enjoy terraining that much...it's kind of exactly what I need when I come home after a stressful day

Progress on Terrain: 55%
Overall: about 10%

 

[Prometheus]

WoW
I'm surprised this hasn't gotten Hosted Mapper, you probably need to be SM first
+8 rep for a boost

 

[Doomhammer]

WoW
I'm surprised this hasn't gotten Hosted Mapper, you probably need to be SM first
+8 rep for a boost

*g* I'm flattered, thanks.

actually my screenshots weren't that well chosen.
Here's a somewhat better impression of how it looks like, captured from WE.
I've still got some more hours to work on that terrain, but atm I don't feel like this might pose a major problem: I'm more than addicted to terraining right now

so far terrain should be about 85% finished. The only problem in my concept I can already see coming is: what happens to all those doodads when some1 plays with Undead, and it's all full of blight? won't that look a bit weird?