Other Elemental Footman Frenzy

[bradleo]

Hmm, thinking out of the box a little. These you definitly don't have to use because they could mess up the game quite easily, they are just suggestions.

1. A ultimate casting building, high money cost (like say 1000) to do... 100 damage to every unit (or every unit on at team...) on the map. (high cooldown)
2. You could use the ultimate building for buffs, auras, and other stuff on whole map or from hero...etc
3. Lol this one is crazy, ready? Resource buildings that cost 100 and give 1 gold every... second? 5 seconds? I dont know exactly... They could be built in the space above the 4 corners, seperated by something amazing or made invuln.
4. Ok, what else is outside the box... How about... getting lumber for... spellbooks, and lumber is achieved from... hero kills? Just putting crazy ideas together.
5. Placing traps to explode or slow or hurt units. An actually good idea!

All I got for now... Hope this helps!

Edit: meant to put 1000 for high money cost

 

[captainrads]

A ultimate casting building, high money cost (like say 100) to do... 100 damage to every unit (or every unit on at team...) on the map. (high cooldown)

You mean an ultimate caster spawn or a tower? I'll let the masses(?) in on a secret: should there be a tier 5 put in place, the main base will have an appropriate ultimate ability(Undead-death and decay, Earth-Earthquake, etc)

You could use the ultimate building for buffs, auras, and other stuff on whole map or from hero...etc

If you've tested the map and built the ziggurat, you see that it gives an unholy aura with quite a large area(also functions as a farm/tower), and the main base still has the standard devotion aura.

Lol this one is crazy, ready? Resource buildings that cost 100 and give 1 gold every... second? 5 seconds? I dont know exactly... They could be built in the space above the 4 corners, seperated by something amazing or made invuln.

I have toyed with that idea, but I never liked the idea of a resource generator, because players can just get it and wait until they have a shit ton of money to do anything, which isn't fair to those who want to hero focus and not get a builder.

Ok, what else is outside the box... How about... getting lumber for... spellbooks, and lumber is achieved from... hero kills? Just putting crazy ideas together.

Hmm....that's a possibility...like, having an initial spellbook which gets upgraded after a player gets a certain amount of lumber? That might work, I'd have to develop that idea a bit more but that's a maybe...good idea, thanks.

Placing traps to explode or slow or hurt units. An actually good idea!

Why yes, that is a very good idea. I've already got a super builder with a "lay mine" ability which lays down a goblin land mine, but maybe I'll put those sorts of abilities/items other places.

Thanks for the ideas, its always helpful.

 

[captainrads]

Bump, once again I ask, has anyone tried the map? I doubt I'll be able to host it so I'm wondering if I should even keep going on the project. It's posted for download in my profile, so I ask all of you to at least try it. If anyone could host it on U.S. East sometime, I'd love to be there.

 

[bradleo]

I havent tested it yet, I will right now though... will edit this post if I get ideas/find any changes.

Edit: Well, I played it, and so far theres not much to it. I gave lots of ideas, please use them and incorperate them. Time for the lists.

The Obvious:

• You obviously used all of the template things because you didn't change any items. Make it at least LOOK your own by rearanging items, hero locations, and making your own items. Try for 1/2 items be your own or changed.
• Well, also obviously it is beta, sorry about being so mean, but add more stuff! You will need to put in the other tiers in before official release
• Change the damage and look of the tier units. People are bored with the basic tiers. Idea: Add damage, take away attack speed, and change model of footman to bandit or something. Doesn't have to be much, just to make the game different

The Other stuff:

• Idea is good, just needs more stuff.
• Please, for now, put in computers so it can be playable/testable in single player. Remove AI and whatnot, just so you can see damage without attacking your own units.
• Heros look good, but they are all probably more powerful than the standard ones. Try dulling down damage just a bit if it is the normal spell damage. I could be wrong because I didn't have time to test them.
• Bear will be WAY too powerful end game. Even though he has low damage, if he gets ahold of attack items and damage boosters, his fast attack + cleave will own units and his bash will own heros. Not to mention crit and stampede. Lower speed to make decent, and maybe have higher damage but lower damage up per level.

To conclude: Add stuff and change stuff from template. Sorry I sounded so mean. Element idea is excellent though.

 

[captainrads]

Thanks, I was starting to lose hope lol.

 

[captainrads]

You obviously used all of the template things because you didn't change any items. Make it at least LOOK your own by rearanging items, hero locations, and making your own items. Try for 1/2 items be your own or changed.

Yeah, I did keep a lot of the things the same, but its what people know and are familiar with, plus I know it'll work. I may try to experiment in the future though. As for the items, I do plan on making a lot more of those. In fact, I've got a lot of traps, walls, and mines planned out in a future Base Defense store, so there's a new element to the map with those.

Well, also obviously it is beta, sorry about being so mean, but add more stuff! You will need to put in the other tiers in before official release

Yeah, I'll of course complete the map when the official release comes out, but I didn't want to get too involved in the map in case it didn't get going. If I had done that, I would have wasted my time.

Change the damage and look of the tier units. People are bored with the basic tiers. Idea: Add damage, take away attack speed, and change model of footman to bandit or something. Doesn't have to be much, just to make the game different

Like I said, I know the generic system works. If I do too much editing I'll lose track of balancing, but I will try and get new units and stats worked into the game.

Please, for now, put in computers so it can be playable/testable in single player. Remove AI and whatnot, just so you can see damage without attacking your own units.

I had a testing trigger in there where neutral hostile footmen spawned in the middle, but I took it out. I could either put that back in, or try and tinker with learning AI, but that might take awhile.

Heros look good, but they are all probably more powerful than the standard ones. Try dulling down damage just a bit if it is the normal spell damage. I could be wrong because I didn't have time to test them.

I was afraid of that, I'll try and fix it but I need to see how the heroes perform in combat to fix it effectively. However, some heroes do have trade offs. The ancients are pretty powerful spell-wise, but they're pretty slow too, so there's a bit of balancing there.

Bear will be WAY too powerful end game. Even though he has low damage, if he gets ahold of attack items and damage boosters, his fast attack + cleave will own units and his bash will own heros. Not to mention crit and stampede. Lower speed to make decent, and maybe have higher damage but lower damage up per level.

I probably should have seen that coming; too many passive skills like that makes a hero way too powerful. I'll either change its abilities or tone down it's attack power.

Once again, thanks for your feedback, hopefully more people will start playing and commenting, and just maybe I can get someone to host it so I can see how the game plays with a bunch of human players.

 

[bradleo]

For bear, don't tone down attack power, tone attack speed, otherwise you will have stun locks on your hands and no one likes that, especially with cleave killing other units. Attack power is fine now, but items can increase it, remember those items!

 

[captainrads]

That's true...and I don't have very many attack speed increase items(Like two I think), so Bear should stay balanced that way. The only thing bear can do is get ThunderTHOR and get a purge with its bash, but with a slow enough attack speed things should be fine.

 

[bradleo]

You may not have many attack speed increasing items, but they are probably stackable so I would dull the attack down anyway.

 

[captainrads]

Yeah, you got me there...I'll do that, and maybe start tinkering with AI. I'm gonna try and get a main layout set up on the first page for the game in a way that's more organized too, but I'll do that later since I've got a huge test I should be studying for.

 

[captainrads]

Bump, got finished laying out my ideas and such, go ahead and check it out.

 

[bradleo]

Ok, and you really should be working on completing at least one thing completely (eg. another teir, hero, or builder) instead of posting on here!

I think it is a good idea but it will remain an idea until u get the first playable version done.

Keep working, if it was finished I would definitely play it.

 

[captainrads]

Well, I think its playable right now, just very incomplete. Like I said before, I don't want to get too far into it in case it doesn't take off. So far, it seems as though that's happening since nobody but you and me have posted for weeks.

It might help if I could hack my router so I could host, I just don't know the damn password...but I digress.

Like I said in the first post, I doubt the map will ever be officially finished until I get sick of working on it or my computer blows up(God forbid).

 

[bradleo]

For the computer blowing up, get a zip/flash drive. Inexpensive and can hold hundreds of maps. It will never take off at the state it is in just because it is too normal, you haven't put any of your ideas in yet. Once they are in, I will at least host it.

 

[captainrads]

Yeah, I actually have a flash drive I'm using right now, so I'm probably good there.

Alright...I think I can mess around with the map a bit, so I'll get to upgrading it a bit, and I will continue to try and hack my router so I can host.

Anyone got any suggestions on terrain? I know how I'm gonna reposition starting locations and such, I just don't know how I want the rest of the map to look. I think the four teams of three thing works well, but I can't seem to visualize how to totally redo it, or even redo it a little bit.

EDIT: Once I finish some upgrading, let me know when you're gonna host it so I can be there.

 

[captainrads]

Bump, updated main page

 

[captainrads]

Bump, more updating.

More ideas/thoughts anyone?

 

[thewrongvine]

Well, I actually created a unique and new terrain for another footies-type map of my friend but in the end he stopped on that back (although it is already finished "Genocida").

If you'd like to see it, ask.

And Bradleo, why do you keep talking as if you are very important and that this whole map depends on your liking. I'm just saying.

~Hai-Bye-Vine~

 

[bradleo]

Sorry then, it was just that I WAS the only one that actually posted, so I kinda had to be the audience. I'm not that important, just giving ideas and if other people post, I will gladly stop posting so much.

 

[wc3shady]

To be frank...

First, let me say that I'm not a big fan of footman frenzy, so I might be biased.

You should probably organize your first post, so it's more appealing. Now, I think your map has potential... but only if it's done well, and you actually should add more skill required, not just add a ton of more units. Right now, it just looks a little bit like the rest of the footman frenzy maps (dont mean to be rude)

Your extra builders idea isn't bad, but you should make it so each building takes up the same squares, and only have a few buildable areas, just to control things.

Now ideas...

Instead of using gold to get your hero items, maybe you should make Hero Points that the items cost (new resource), and you get one per guy you kill and like ten or twenty for each hero you kill. Now, each tiered unit will give more and more hero points, so the best hero items are impossible to get unless your enemies have higher tiers, so everything is balanced out, and it requires skill with the heroes to make a powerful hero.

For Earth, instead of spawning crypt lords, how about rock golems? And for water, water elementals.