The FULL story of Warcraft

[Sargon]

Draenor is on the second continent, where Durotar, Ashenvale, etc. reside. THAT's where Draenor was, and they hailed from it. So they HAD TO sail from one continent to another.

What, are they going to swim?

The reason they sailed away was because they were just finished with the Battle against the Humans. They aaren't going to magically appear on the other continent.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And no. Draenor is a different planet. That's why they needed the Dark Portal in the first place. The Humans blew it up, and now it's Outland, which is basically a asteroid that used to be part of a planet (Draenor).

 

[XXXconanXXX]

They change color after they drink Mannoroth's blood, so they were high on that at the time.

 

[DM Cross]

What are you talking about?! ROFL! Man, you MUST be reading something wrong.

Draenar is an entire different WORLD, dude. That's where the Orcs come from, they aren't native to Azeroth. Medivh and Gul'dan created a portal, linking the worlds togethor so the Orcs could come to AZEROTH, the CONTINENT. Here's my proof, straight from the story, from the link which YOU YOURSELF gave on Post 1!

After the exiled Frostwolves charged through the portal, only a few orc clans followed. These orcs quickly set up a base of operations within the Black Morass, a dark and swampy area far to the east of the kingdom of Stormwind.

Ta da. Stormwind, which is in Azeroth, the southern region of the Eastern Kingdom. Where the hell were Orcs sailing from? They appeared right where they needed to be.

The proof is in the pudding

-Sagron-

Also, I've got a new theory on the whole Cenarius issue: When you get the Chaos Orcs in that mission, they're red. In Warcraft II, they're all green. Therefore, Grom and company were rather high on demonic blood, high enough to change color. The orcs in Warcraft I and II didn't have enough demonic blood in them to do the damage that Grom et al could.

During this time, the Demons were basically in command of the Orcs. The Orcs worshipped them like Gods! You're saying that the Orcs had more power when a SINGLE clan was TRICKED into drinking a BIT of demon blood then when the ENTIRE HORDE was high off FOUNTAINS upon FOUNTAINS of the stuff?

 

[Sargon]

They change color after they drink Mannoroth's blood, so they were high on that at the time.

Exactly. I think that Blizzard is planting subliminal drug messages into this game.

 

[XXXconanXXX]

Aha!

Ya got me, BUT

If you look at the continentsw, they are COMPLETELY SEPERATED!

As you said, the proof is in the pudding:

http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/worldmap.shtml

 

[Sargon]

What are you talking about?! ROFL! Man, you MUST be reading something wrong.

Draenar is an entire different WORLD, dude. That's where the Orcs come from, they aren't native to Azeroth. Medivh and Gul'dan created a portal, linking the worlds togethor so the Orcs could come to AZEROTH, the CONTINENT. Here's my proof, straight from the story, from the link which YOU YOURSELF gave on Post 1!



Ta da. Stormwind, which is in Azeroth, the southern region of the Eastern Kingdom. Where the hell were Orcs sailing from? They appeared right where they needed to be.

The proof is in the pudding

Yay, I remember all this stuff well. So that supports my theory that for Warcraft II, it'd be easier to sail to Lordaeron than walk from where they were. It's a straight shot north from most of the eastern coast of Azeroth-nation.

 

[DM Cross]

...So? They appeared in Azeroth, the LOWER continent, and attacked the LOWER continent Lordaeron wasn't as badly attacked.

Also, about maps:

That map also doesn't have Northrend Blizzard changed a few things for WoW, who's to say they didn't separate the continents?

 

[XXXconanXXX]

Nope.

In WoW, (WHICH IS ACCURATE) the Black Morass (A 31+ raiding zone) is near Undercity, very creepy place.

So, in fact, they came from the UPPER continent.

They removed Northrend due to gameplay reasons. Things needed to be changed, but we're looking at the story THUS FAR, with changes included.

Northrend will be coming up in the next year or os, and we will finally unveil Arthas' plans.

 

[Sargon]

Aha!

Ya got me, BUT

If you look at the continentsw, they are COMPLETELY SEPERATED!

As you said, the proof is in the pudding:

http://www.blizzard.com/wow/townhall/worldmap.shtml

Right, so they had to sail to Lordaeron for Warcraft II, which allows me to make my point about the wall. Thanks for the supporting evidence!

 

[Sargon]

Nope.

In WoW, (WHICH IS ACCURATE) the Black Morass (A 31+ raiding zone) is near Undercity, very creepy place.

So, in fact, they came from the UPPER continent.

They removed Northrend due to gameplay reasons. Things needed to be changed, but we're looking at the story THUS FAR, with changes included.

Northrend will be coming up in the next year or os, and we will finally unveil Arthas' plans.

But they sacked Stormwind, in the southern continent. The announcer says it in the first Human mission in Warcraft II (I don't forget things that are said in silly voices).

 

[XXXconanXXX]

Yes, but they hailed from the North continent.

If you look, they went through that dip, right where Stormwind is settled on the coast. That's where they hit.

If they come going NORTH, then they'd hit the shore, go for miles and miles to Stormwind, unless Stormwind engulfs the whole continent. (WHich it doesn't)

 

[Sargon]

Yes, but they hailed from the North continent.

If you look, they went through that dip, right where Stormwind is settled on the coast. That's where they hit.

If they come going NORTH, then they'd hit the shore, go for miles and miles to Stormwind, unless Stormwind engulfs the whole continent. (WHich it doesn't)

The Black Morass is hundreds of miles to the east of Stormwind. Alexander quoted that part of the story on the site. That means that they arrived on the southern continent. If you can, go back and look at the maps and such related to Warcraft II (they may be in the game, I don't remember). There's a nice marker for the Dark Portal, and it's to the east of Stormwind, on the southern continent.

 

[XXXconanXXX]

Ok, I finally see the light.

http://www.worldofwar.net/locations/azeroth.php

Then, why did they SAIL to Stormwind if they were just a few miles away? That's what confuzzles me.

 

[Sargon]

There's a nice map inside Warcraft III, which is up to date to where we're arguing to. Interestingly enough, it connects Kahz Modan and Lordaeron with a nice stretch of land. They obviously changed the map for WoW.

The map is the default loading screen background, by the way.

 

[Sargon]

Ok, I finally see the light.

http://www.worldofwar.net/locations/azeroth.php

Then, why did they SAIL to Stormwind if they were just a few miles away? That's what confuzzles me.

They didn't. They sailed to Lordaeron, after sacking Stormwind. The sack of Stormwind occurs before Warcraft II, which is where the ships and the wall come in.

 

[XXXconanXXX]

My question is, why did they need to sail to Stormwind in Warcraft II? I've never played Warcraft II, and you have, so that's what I'm wondering about. Is that map I'm look at now not the one from Warcraft II? Is it different?

EDIT: OOOOOHHHH, ok, I get it now. Thanks.

 

[Sargon]

My question is, why did they need to sail to Stormwind in Warcraft II? I've never played Warcraft II, and you have, so that's what I'm wondering about. Is that map I'm look at now not the one from Warcraft II? Is it different?

It's different in that part of the continent seems to have pulled an Atlantis. Other than that, you jsut don't know where Warcraft II takes place. Why would Thrall et al start in Lordaeron (remember the tutorial missions?) if they hadn't attacked it and lost in the previous game? If Warcraft II had been taking place near Sotrmwind, they'd be in camps down there.

 

[Sargon]

It's different in that part of the continent seems to have pulled an Atlantis. Other than that, you jsut don't know where Warcraft II takes place. Why would Thrall et al start in Lordaeron (remember the tutorial missions?) if they hadn't attacked it and lost in the previous game? If Warcraft II had been taking place near Sotrmwind, they'd be in camps down there.

You can edit posts? How? Does my confusion have anything do do with the words "Not Registered" under my name?

 

[SilverHawk]

Yes and yes. Fill out the confirmation email and you will be able to.

 

[XXXconanXXX]

Erm, next to the "Quote" button next to your name. It might be due to the fact that you aren't offically "Registered", which should be taken care of tomorrow when The Helper gets on.