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Varine

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And that is not an accurate description of addiction by anyone who's ever had an addiction. Cravings are not addictions - they're desires. You want it, but that's it. You're not sick for lack of it, you're body is not dying because you don't have it.

As a general rule - if you won't suck a dick for it, you're not very addicted.
 

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Well, just read the actual definition of 'addiction'. You're right. I guess I've been to too many drug meetings in my younger, more foolhardy days, where they twist and bend the definition of that word to fit their own purposes.

I concede; cannabis isn't addictive by the actual definition of the word, nor are many of the things I claimed were. Although after saying that, everyone's body works differently so I can't say that that holds true for everyone. But for at least 99% of us.
 

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Yes, they do, and that is one of the primary causes of addiction. We have kids spending twelve, fifteen years going to these meetings where they don't differentiate the difference between something as mild as weed and something as toxic as heroin and meth. They lump all of them together and kids grow up assuming that no matter what drug they do, they'll be fucked. Then, they smoke a little a weed, realize it's not so bad. They're not getting sick. They maybe got tired and a little paranoid, but they aren't feeling what a withdrawal feels like. They probably don't even realize that the down after most drugs isn't remotely close to withdrawals... anyway, they smoke some weed, and are like "Oh well now I can do anything." BAM, addict. Why? Because of the flat out lies that almost every child in this country is force fed from age four.
 

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You can't deny the debilitating effects of alcohol withdrawal, though; it's the only one that can actually kill ya.
 

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No it's not. Heroin, meth, wet, various others can be fatal.
 

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No it's not. Heroin, meth, wet, various others can be fatal.
That's absolutely false. Just alcohol and apparently benzos have the capability to kill you without the need of underlying health conditions present.
 

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No, it is not. It's just less common. So can Barbiturates. Even alcohol-withdrawal related deaths are uncommon. And having been addicted to many of this substances for several years at one point, alcohol was by far the easiest to manage.
 

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If I was to start doing drugs recreationally, which one would be the safest to start with? :3
 

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What made you start using drugs?
Anti drug assemblies.

And weed would probably be safer than alcohol. I don't really consider either of them 'drugs' even though they fall under that description technically. Weed's best for chilling or when you're alone and bored or whatever, alcohol is best for parties.
 

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Why isn't alcohol a drug? There are more alcohol-related deaths than all illegal drug-related deaths combined. What makes alcohol less of a drug than those?

And Kaerf, if you don't use yet then you may as well not start if you're happy with your life. It's fuckin' expensive and illegal in most places, and when you realize how awesome it is, you won't want to quit. When something makes everything better, it's hard to find a good enough reason not to get your hands on it.
 

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Why isn't alcohol a drug? There are more alcohol-related deaths than all illegal drug-related deaths combined. What makes alcohol less of a drug than those?

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Why arent cars a drug? There are more car-related deaths then all illegal and legal drug-related deaths combined. What makes cars less of a drug then those?

The number of deaths related to a substance is not the deciding factor whether it counts as a drug or not. I guess it differs from definition to definition. I for one count alcohol as being a drug, and many others do so as well.
 

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Why isn't alcohol a drug? There are more alcohol-related deaths than all illegal drug-related deaths combined. What makes alcohol less of a drug than those?
Because you can take a shot of anything, every day, and never have an issue with addiction beyond ceremonial habit. Do that with coke, wet, meth, any opiate, etc. Once again, go do these things, and come back and tell me that alcohol is really addictive or the withdrawal is worse. Then I will listen.
 

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Because you can take a shot of anything, every day, and never have an issue with addiction beyond ceremonial habit. Do that with coke, wet, meth, any opiate, etc. Once again, go do these things, and come back and tell me that alcohol is really addictive or the withdrawal is worse. Then I will listen.
You can do that with coke, wet, meth and any opiate, etc.
Its all just a question of the dose. If you take a tiny dose of coke every day you will not get addicted either, you will probably not notice anything ever.
All substances have a different dosage at which they start to take effect, it can differ for the "positiv" and negativ effects. As you can see, you need to take much more alcohol for a strong negative effect like addiction but a much smaller dose of coke can have the same addictive effect on you.
 

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Okay you're getting a little bit out of the scope of what I was talking about.
 
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