* Hatchery Havoc *

[Thanatos_820]

I wonder if the next version will have 2x harder AI than this one. Maybe making the AI attack as soon as they get the units, or make them research more faster.

 

[Zakyath]

Haha, you've done it this time!

You know what I think of your earlier maps, and this is waaaay better!

>Perhaps you could add a hotkey (Esc?) for selecting those eggs...the main building ability isn't that useful, for me at least.
Or add a dummy hero to make use of F1 for this purpose?

Ey, heard of Ctrl+1 (any number works just fine)
If not, select your units/buildings, ctrl+1, then you'll be able to click 1 and have them selected! Though, dunno really, if it will work on this map while thinking about it, and if not, Ace, there you have your bug!

Though, it really disappoints me that you can't have any heroes (well, I didn't notice you can). That brings it down to lower lvl than Footman Wars. If you'd make some unique heroes with flashy spells, though, make the units as important, if not more, than the hero. I'm getting tired of all these games where you can run out with the most imba hero and pwn everything. Really tired. Balancing is hard, it really is. Though, you done it. Anywayz, the biggest mistake you made with this map is that the AI won't micro. That's hard, isn't it? I wouldn't expect it. So, great map, really.

Edit: Oh, and I'm very disappointed in you for not making it Sunken Ruins!

 

[Corleone]

Haha, brilliant! I beat the NPCs on my second run. I cant wait to play this with 3+ players.
10/10

 

[AceHart]

Update v1.2

Changelog 1.2

- Cross-upgrade-friendly hatching


Finally, someone managed to find a bug Damn...

 

[AceHart]

Control groups don't work with units that disappear constantly...


Anyway, so... yeah


The comp can be beaten?
Well, yes.

Then again, are you really sure you want the "perfect" AI?


It's not Sunken Ruins?
Indeed, it's Barrens. Which, I might add, fits the map's theme just nicely.
2-P didn't complain, shout or scream. Which MUST mean the terrain is sort of acceptable.


In the unlikely event that you would want to post a 4 players BNet replay, do so.
I like replays.

And, after all, a 5-10 minutes game doesn't produce a 3megs replay.

 

[Sooda]

[offtopic]Removed[/offtopic]

On topic: I going to download it and try. Then I will say how it liked (Heard many spoilers how to beat CPU ( Btw CPU means different things and background counts, I mean we aren' t speaking here about sience but about simple game map.

EDIT: Nvm I got toatly beaten up by purple with his army. Teal just sucked all the time he never killed purple first and blue killed me. Point is that AI in right bottom corner won twice and I had no mood to try third time... I' m not good at microing and that game is build on it. "Totaly" fun is to watch how your main building gets destroied beacause you didn' t rush on start. You got only one chance and if you can' t get good start you will get killed whatsoever. The second point is that it isn' t fun to lose. I didn' t got my eggs choosen when I needed them most (While losing build time while AI never loses it.) I upgraded attack damage but it didn' t help. Still with lower attack damage units killed mine >.< ! Divine shield... it should be usable and like "choose eggs, can' t be used when upgrading" he he...

I just don' t have words how much I started to hate that map, sry...

 

[Oninuva]

If only people listen to me.

(If you are wpmdering what I mean please look at post 19 of the post.)

 

[AceHart]

Update v1.3

Changelog v1.3:

- Selectable AI difficulty level (Single Player only)

 

[Zakyath]

If only people listen to me.

(If you are wpmdering what I mean please look at post 19 of the post.)

So, when are you going to upload the replayer? Anyway, if the other player also masses, you think you'll win then? I think you've got no micro...

>- Selectable AI difficulty level (Single Player only)

Wonderful

 

[ayumilove]

lagging map

hi ace

your map is really lagging, even for a 1 v1 , what is going on?>
usually pro maps won't lag that crazy o.o

its like lagging every o.3 second, then stop awhile then it lags again

[edit] oh ya, you know the dialog box thingy? it says bring-it-on?

i pick the bring it on, then suddenly it auto restart the game

then it ask the same old question again, and then lags my pc

i dont have the lag problem when i chooose the 2options which is

i dont know how to play and i know how to play

below is a replay of my game within 5min 36 seconds

download link below
http://download.yousendit.com/13D1C702429589B6

 

[Oninuva]

hi ace

your map is really lagging, even for a 1 v1 , what is going on?>
usually pro maps won't lag that crazy o.o

its like lagging every o.3 second, then stop awhile then it lags again

[edit] oh ya, you know the dialog box thingy? it says bring-it-on?

i pick the bring it on, then suddenly it auto restart the game

then it ask the same old question again, and then lags my pc

i dont have the lag problem when i chooose the 2options which is

i dont know how to play and i know how to play

below is a replay of my game within 5min 36 seconds

download link below
http://download.yousendit.com/13D1C702429589B6

convert so you can use YouTube

 

[Zakyath]

hi ace

your map is really lagging, even for a 1 v1 , what is going on?>
usually pro maps won't lag that crazy o.o

its like lagging every o.3 second, then stop awhile then it lags again

[edit] oh ya, you know the dialog box thingy? it says bring-it-on?

i pick the bring it on, then suddenly it auto restart the game

then it ask the same old question again, and then lags my pc

i dont have the lag problem when i chooose the 2options which is

i dont know how to play and i know how to play

below is a replay of my game within 5min 36 seconds

download link below
http://download.yousendit.com/13D1C702429589B6

You're a filthy liar! Oh, maybe not, well... it only laggs for you. Weird, really is

 

[ayumilove]

what are you talking about o.o

im not lying, it really lags when i use the bring it on mode (-.-o)

or else why would i post it in the first place

 

[AceHart]

There's not big enough a difference between the difficulty modes to explain any kind of lag.

Actually, they all work the same.
There's some differences obviously, otherwise the modes wouldn't be different,
however, those differences show up in the long run.
Definitely not within the first couple seconds...

 

[Thanatos_820]

The on;y way you can lag is when there's too many units in a camera's sight or when your hard drive has too much clutter. You can avoid lag easier if you pull your camera away from an epic battle (Over 100 units battling eachother). Mostly, you'll lag if you didn't clean your drive. Ever think about that ?

 

[2-P]

>"Map balance is clearly defined: the more you own, the more you own."

IMO that's the only problem of the map. Sooda already mentioned it, once the enemy is stronger (more units) than you, the game is pretty much over for you. There seems to be no way to come back in the game.
How do you get gold? Income rate + for each unit you kill? The thing is the more units you have the more gold you get, so... the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

That the main building can attack is a step in the right direction, but it's still far to less to make a significant difference. And Obi Wan isn't very helpful either when your (usually 2-P's) main hall is surrounded.


>"2-P didn't complain, shout or scream. Which MUST mean the terrain is sort of acceptable."

Pff, I just had no time.
No, it's good. I found only some minor things to complain about.
-Some rocks are floating in the air, especially the big one in the upper middle and the archways. And a tiny part of the vine besides that big rock is coming out of the front of the rock.
-Great tile variation, but why the blight? Doesn't fit to the pretty environment.
-The dark vines are ok, but I think the Ashenvale mushrooms don't fit to Barrens. You could try using the Sunken Ruins mushrooms.
-The upper right side of the map could use some smoothing.


About the unit types:
Druid of the Talon instead of Claw? Talon looks more like a spellcaster. ^^

 

[Chocobo]

Rifleman attacks slower than other archer units (Average attack speed instead of Fast).

There should be a way for the main hall to attack, it should help a little.

 

[AceHart]

The damage over time is identical for all unit equivalents.

The Town Hall can attack. Not that greatly, but it can. Though it needs to upgrade twice or more.


> why the blight? Doesn't fit to the pretty environment.

Admit it, you just hate blight for no reason

Uhm... "pretty"? Well, yeah... the map's pretty much a blood-bath...
(All minor complaints "fixed")

As for the mushrooms... Barrens is a bit barren in that department...

> a tiny part of the vine besides that big rock is coming out of the front of the rock.

Cool.
Now, who could possibly notice that...
(Fixed)

> How do you get gold?

Regular income based on your Town Hall level.
The rest (well, actually, most of it) comes from the Pillage ability on Footmen and Knights (or racial equivalents).


> Help me Obi Wan, you're my only hope

I was thinking about it.
But didn't really get any inspiration yet.
So, for the time being, it's a weak invulnerability...



As a general note, there is no "coming back" on a 5 minutes map. (10 if you drag it out)

 

[AceHart]

Update v1.5

Changelog v1.5:

- Footmen (and racial equivalents) have less health
- Fixed death animation timings (not that anyone noticed)
- Slight terrain improvements
- Units other than "basic melee" may gain bonus damage over time
- Obi Wan
- There's a chance to see a Furbolg!

 

[Zakyath]

Thanks for making it harder to win on mass foots