Bought one new in package off ebay, normally would not do that, because I wanna play with my stuff, but it is what was there. Gonna be one of those people that ends up auctioning an empty controller package. lol
I do know this - xenforo dropped the ball by not keeping the vbulletin reputation comments as a feature. The loss of the Reputation comments data when we switched to Xenforo really was the death knell for the site when it came to all the users that left. I know I missed it so much and I got way less interested in the site when that feature was gone and I run the site.