Oh no you don't, not until I've had a chance to throw some crap right back at you.
Sud, why you hate DotA so much ? You're bashing that game all the time, while you knows nothing about it. I'm pretty sure that you're being jealous that DotA is so popular and your map isn't. Period. There, I said it. Someone had to tell you, even if you won't admit it in 100 years. Here's some facts about DotA
Actually I'm already on record as saying that I have no problem sharing the custom game list with well made maps like Tides of Blood, however, I shake my head in disgust that an unoriginal, all stolen content map consisting of very spotty balance, default ladder abilities, and the odd spell downloaded off wc3search to be the top map. It's like being thrust into bizarro world and looking in on their favorite dining establishments, and the #1 being a resturant that serves steamed dog turds.
- Items doesn't win games, go play 100+ games and come back.
I've likely played more games of dota than you scrub. I've got versions in my download folder going back to 5.77 (and ToB going back to v.99f). I'm sorry, items are extremely disproportionate to the heroes that wield them. I remember a leaver on our team who had amongst other things, a desolator, and for a joke, we put it on my crystal maiden. Gee, 1 nova and a few hits and that was THAT for any of the enemy team.
- 1 hero alone will never ever win a game on it's own. Go play skilled players and come back.
Wrong. Was playing a 3v3 once, and during the mid game both enemy heroes and our teammate left, making it 2v1. The 1 was a lycan, who up to that point hadn't farmed crap, but suddenly had a basher, buriza, amongst other shit. We had allrandomed some fairly sucky heroes (keeper of the light and leshrac) so that was the end of that game.
In games of CoD, I've been up against, and held at bay as best I could, groups of 4 heroes, dodging their abilities while trying to keep them back until my team could get there. In Dota, 4 heroes is a guaranteed fountain trip, there's no dodging novas, bolts, carrion swarms, etc.
- Teamplay does win you game. Go play skilled players.
Actually, most people are content to farm a lane all game, only leaving if they feel they really need to (or if the enemy team is massing up and they feel like they can get some easy backstabs). The towers in Dota are a joke, the last ones being incredibally hard to seige (in a group vs group situation it turns into these retarded standoffs, as the enemy team has easy access to their fountain, and your team will eventually be beaten back with AOEs).
In fact, in "skilled" settings like you're trying to say (this being mythological, but some people still insist it exists), there are two - name em, two strategies that you do. The most popular being mass AOEs (of course Dota AOEs tend to require no aim (read: carrion swarm), so 5 of these stacked together is a threat), or mass stunners (read: inescapable death for any single hero they target).
- Clink is a noob killer, that's all. (That is not an opinion, it's a fact). Sorry to tell ya that, but if he owned you, you either had a sucky team that fed (possible) or you suck yourself at DotA. (probably a bit of both)
Noob killer? Rofl? Clinkz can harass any hero early game (melee hero shutdown), and has such insane DPS combined with the ability to go invisible and self heal himself anytime he wishes. Compare that versatility to something like viper. Good clinkz will kill -- ANYTHING --, particularly if they get items on them like desolator or skaadi. Clinkz can choose any battle he wants, which is how he kills noobs, but in a team situation, he STILL fulfills his role as a DPSer (with the added bonus of being able to chase/run at any given time). He's also known as one of the most annoying backdoors there possibly is in that game.
By the way, I played an AoS map, and I THINK it's yours, but I ain't sure. Facing an archer that shots you from 1500 range in straight line while you can't do shit with your sucky channeling spell is not that I call a fair fight. (pretty much same level, little to none items.) You'll reply "every hero has its counter" or something like it. Guess what, DotA is the same thing.
'scuse me are you complaining about a 1500 range line attack that you can dodge in favor of a map where you can use a 2250ish range rocket that autoaims and does 4 times the damage? Now I KNOW you're completely devoid of any logic or objectivity. By the way, try using detonate. It has a 3 second cooldown, and does 200/250/300/350 damage. Archer starts with ~550 hp and gets very little strength per level. You do the math. Of course, without the ability being autoaim, I doubt you'll ever land one, so it may not be good advice for you. I bet you went and got more int items too, because hey, the psi has 15 str, but 45 int, I'd better improve on my strong point, rather than trying to beef up my weak point. You also sound too brain dead to purchase such "horrible wastes of money" as a healing salve or a healing station too right?
Oh and unlike dota, cod isn't about straight up hero killing. I guarantee you that weak psi is a better hero to have in a group vs group battle, because is is much more versatile.
Tired of your DotA bashing all over the forum. You gotta understand that you bash a custom game without any GOOD arguments (most of the ones you gave were false, arguments from someone that knows nothing about the game). A game that DOES involves skill, that DOES involves teamplay. You just don't see it because you are blind.
lol? My arguments include concrete logic and anecdotal evidence explaining situations I've been in. Yours consist of "play better players" and "that only kills noobs". I've played everything from the worst leaver to so called "dota tournament players" who sat and turtled behind their towers with balanar and tinker in a 2v2 because they couldn't handle themselves in a lane, before they finally conceded defeat to go play a clan match (this was after they got owned horribly in CoD and said they'd rape us in Dota. Fat chance). That was the last game of Dota I ever played too.
A friend of mine who used to play with me in a lot of Dota games is also a somewhat affluent ladder player. He raped Wobbly.Lore (#1 solo ladder player currently on west) in 7 minutes in an Orc vs Orc matchup. He readily admits that Dota is skilless, and plays only CoD as his custom game of choice now, after thoroughly being disgusted at the gameplay in dota (and he's played more games than I have).
CoD was crafted in the idea that 1. skills should be aimed 2. heroes should be crafted in such a way that they have clear and exploitable strengths and weaknesses 3. teamwork shouldn't be the thing you do just before you win, it should be present at ALL times of the game and 4. the gameplay should be focused mainly around the heroes and the objectives, not the items (and if you still think dota isn't about the items, you are completely deluded)
To Ryoko : You hate me because I like DotA ? That looks close minded. If you have an issue with the DotA mapmakers, it's not my fault, sorry. I pretty much respect you and I like your TD map, it's pretty fun, but I don't like people having prejudices like that.
Yeah, kind of like prejudiced Psis who can't figure out why a hero skill is owning them and how to counter, or at least alleviate, the problem, right?
but it's not the most popular custom game for nothing.
Oh yes it is. The idiotic masses worship it just like they do someone like Britney Spears that is held as some sort of celebrity instead of living in some trailer park somewhere where she belongs. Quality and talent have never been pre-requisites for popularity.
About gank : Ganking is a strategy in DotA, it's a team game dude. Oh no, we can't attack as a team, god... no gank, it's not fair for them...
Please tell me how swarming someone with numbers is a strategic move? INSECTS can perform this "strategy". Hell, I've even seen dota players totally mess up this "great strategic move", chasing after one hero they perceive is weak, sometimes getting him, sometimes not, while the rest of the team levels and farms and "oh no, he farmed better items while we were playing chase the gimp, we're screwed!". Extra funny when it's razor and he comes out with an inventory full of death.
EDIT : I'm over on this discussion, PM me if you feel like arguing about the oh-so-bad and so-disgusting map that is DotA
Thank all that's mighty and holy.